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== Some doubts ==
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== Boyce's O praise the lord ==
  
<p>Hi!
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Bob
I just applied to volunteer by adopting J.S.Bach's page...you replied...but I don't know if I can start right now or if I need to wait for some special authorization or something...</p>
 
Another question...
 
How can I respond to a score request? I visited the list of requests but I don't find a way to take that request...How does it work?
 
Thanks! [[User:Saniakob|Saniakob]] 07:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 
  
:Hi! I happened to see your question about adopting JS Bach, so I replied there that I'd add you, and you can start right away. I also updated the actual page about adopting composers (since it wasn't clear) to encourage people to claim a composer by editing the adoption list to add their own name and feel free to start working on the composer even without admin action. Hope Rob doesn't mind if I chime in here.
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Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?
  
:As for marking requests completed, the way to do that is to edit the individual request entry where it says Requested in curly brackets to change it to Completed, and to add at the bottom a link to the location of the new score. The [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Requests Requests page] has a link at the top that allows you to see the Completed requests versus the ones that are still in Requested status, so you can check the format of a sample completed score to see how the link to the uploaded score is formatted. Hope this helps--feel free to post if you have further questions. Similarly, you can change the status to Pending if you want to indicate that you are taking that request and working on it. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 15:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)
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:Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
  
::Thanks for replying, Vaarky, but please don't use [[Template:ItemPost]] or [[Template:Reply]] on this page. Thanks! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 14:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs ==
  
== Rossi: Rorate caeli ==
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Bob
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As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the [[Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs]] page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.
  
Hi Rob,
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If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?
I´ve put the latin words to that work, which originally is for instruments. But even in my biggest dictionary I can't find the correct english word for the german 'Textunterlegung'. I've found the verb: to put or set words to a tune. And the substantive? Would you please help me? Thanks and regards, --[[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 23:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 
  
: The translation you want is "text underlay" (two words). You will find this term used several times at {{CW}}. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>''''''</sub>]] 14:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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[[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
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:Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
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::I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the  CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
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:::Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
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::::Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
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:::::I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
  
Thanks for your answer! --[[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 23:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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==.capx==
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Hello,
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is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl?
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regardas W.D. Ebeling
  
== out of curisority, why do you prefer no ItemPost and Reply? ==
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== Tye's "I will exalt" ==
  
Just noticed the text at the top of your talk page. Out of curiosity, can you say more about why you prefer people to avoid these templates? Is it aesthetic reasons, or are there other aspects such as page size etc.? Tx. -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 16:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
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Bob
 
 
:It's purely aesthetic :-) For me, using the template is more complicated for new users (and some more seasoned ones) than simply typing their message and signing it in the manner explained above the edit window when editing a talk page. So if it's not used universally, it becomes mildly annoying when reading a discussion which includes a variety of indentations and formatting. I don't believe I'm being draconian in making this request on my talk page alone but perhaps you disagree? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
::I completely understand. Just was curious if there were additional considerations besides the aesthetic ones, such as trying to reduce system cycles or filesize. Tx for the further info. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 00:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== About "Sé de una hermosa rosa" ==
 
 
 
Thanks for your answer in the song's discussion! Ok, composer is "Traditional". Should I put the link by hand in the "composer's" page? Do you mean this? In other wiki about music which I participate, songs are listed automatically in the corresponding category. About the other question, on the original text, I will answer at Carlos' talk page. --[[User:Mpancorbo|Mpancorbo]] 21:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Yes, that's correct, you need to add the composer entry on the composer page manually. In this case, because "Sé de una hermosa rosa" is a translation of another work already available on CPDL, I've merged the entry into [[Jag vet en dejlig rosa (Traditional)]]. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 18:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Happy Birthday! ==
 
 
 
Happy Birthday to you, Rob!  At least that is what the forums report today.  Have a good weekend, too. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 14:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
: Wishing you good things for the coming year, and beyond... -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 02:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Thanks guys! I was able to celebrate my birthday in the midst of preparations for a performance of Handel's ''Messiah'' in the Royal Albert Hall, London, as part of the BBC Proms series, available to "listen again" on the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/events/Proms/b00mj2tg/ BBC website], if you feel so inclined. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 17:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Congratulations Rob, it's a very nice recording. I managed to download it to my computer to listen offline. In case you don't have it yet I can send the whole file to you; just drop me a line. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 21:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Template:Translation ==
 
 
 
Hello Bob, it seems that your <tt>cat=no</tt> extension of the translations template doesn’t work. I noticed that you’ve applied it to [[Wiegenlied, Op. 49, No. 4 (Johannes Brahms)|Brahms’ Wiegenlied site]] a few days ago, but it’s still categorized in [[:Category:Italian translations]]. [[User:Robert Urmann|—Robert Urmann]] 19:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
Sorry, Bob, that’s getting strange: I used various browsers to see if it could be up to Firefox’s cache that the translations page doesn’t fully reload. At first it seemed to work—but then I logged in and&nbsp;… Brahms’ Wiegenlied was back!!! I logged out, reloaded and—the site was gone. The Italian translations page lists 92 pages when logged in, and 81 when logged out! Any idea??? [[User:Robert Urmann|—Robert Urmann]] 17:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Brahms: Der Mann WoO 31,5 ==
 
 
 
Hi Bob,
 
I've tried to correct the links and templates, but I failed. Now, I better do not change anything. Sorry. Regards from --[[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 08:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
:I’ve already done it. Many thanks for all the scores, Christoph! You can compare the edits and see what happened. [[User:Robert Urmann|—Robert Urmann]] 08:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
Re Purcell in B flat - no, I am not planning any more of this service.
 
[[User:Dst|dst]] 17:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Scanned editions ==
 
 
 
Hi Rob, don't you think that a person who digitizes a PD score and creates a PDF from it deserves to be called an "editor"? I can't see why Yu Chao should be labeled just a "Contributor" in [[Cantata BWV 159 - Sehet, wir gehn hinauf gen Jerusalem (Johann Sebastian Bach)|‎‎]], please explain me your reasoning. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 17:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:Hi Carlos. No, I don't think that a person who digitises a PD score and creates a PDF from it deserves to be called an "editor". What have they edited? Nothing, as far as I can see. This has been the standard adopted on CPDL for some time, on [[Lydia, Op. 4, No. 2 (Gabriel Fauré)|this page]] and many others. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 20:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Oh, I wasn't aware of this unwritten standard :) Then I suspect that all 20 editions by [[user:Jim Taylor]] will have to be changed accordingly, as well as a few others that I could spot: [[Turn Thy face from my sins (Arthur Sullivan)|[1]]], [[Gute Nacht (Franz Schubert)|[2]]], [[Adelaide (Ludwig van Beethoven)|[3]]], [[Cantata BWV 43 - Gott fähret auf mit Jauchzen (Johann Sebastian Bach)|[4]]]. Thanks for the info, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 02:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Ah yes, one of the many unwritten rules! Yes, those editions should be labelled in the same way. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::What about the 'music facsimile' category and the GIF template? Should we delete all these scores? The problem is that the PDF standard hides two kinds of scores: the vectorized one which includes notes, pitch, duration, tempo, etc (the really useful score for choirs) and the image one, without any reusable edition content. We, on CPDL, have about 10,000 vectorized score and about 100 scanned scores. As we are not a site for score's pictures collectors, we have to avoid the deception of users looking for reusable content. Can we imagine a warning on the Welcome page leading to IMSLP for scanned PD scores? We should keep scanned scores only if we have the vectorized one yet. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] 07:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::: The {{CiteCat|Music facsimiles}} category includes much more than works contributed to {{CW}} which are scanned editions.  It also includes (usually links to) digitized images of original music sources.  These latter form an invaluable tool for scholars and {{CPDL}} users, for example, by comparison of {{CPDL}} editions with original sources (especially since editorial decisions must frequently be made in preparing modern editions), and by providing links to sources of (as yet) works not available at {{CW}}.  I would be loathe to remove the Music facsimiles category.  Perhaps we should consider isolating the "contribution" of scanned images of scores in a separate (sub?)category, at least for the time being, and then having a full-blown discussion as to whether we should actually list/host such scans as {{CPDL}} "editions" ... This is an issue that has bothered me for quite some time.  I'm contemplating a new template (or two, depending upon whether to use parameters) just for Facsimiles (PDFs actually hosted at {{CW}}) and Facsimile Links (for links to facsimiles hosted elsewhere)/  A valid question would be whether continue to grace the former (scanned images "published" at {{CW}}) with a CPDL edition number.  I think the "Contributor" alternate listing for the {{CiteTemp|Editor}} template was originally intended for listing the name of the person providing a score for which they added no editorial content (such as transcribing and "diplomatic" editions).  Looking back over my reply, I wonder if perhaps this discussion should be continued in a better arena than Rob's talk page - maybe the forums? -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:44, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Re: Away in a manger ==
 
 
 
Hi Rob, yes, it's OK, of course! You're right: I'm not the composer of that tune. And thanks for letting me know the mistake on the homepage and in the score. I'll correct it soon. Regards from [[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 13:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 
:That leads to a question: Where shall I put my harmonization of O DU FRÖHLICHE (SATB)? - Not everybody will expect it at O SANCTISSIMA (original tune). Thanks and regards [[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 13:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 
::No problem. When the text is different, the harmonisation should be on a different page with a link to the original tune. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 13:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 
== mirror servers and probolems with servers ==
 
Hi Bob
 
I have asked Mr Ormes and also Chuck Giffen but received no reply. Perhaps you can advise?  I have been wanting to change an external link on the Lamento D'Arianna page since the beginning of last week, but I always get an unavailable response and a redirect to the mirror site. Do you know what the situation is? Will changes on the mirror site be incorporated into the main site once it is up? Can you please let me know? Maybe you can email me on dwsolo at gmail.com?
 
For interest the links to my performance (video) of Monteverdi's Lamento are:<br>
 
part one:<br>
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh6Zxgq7iMg<br>
 
part two:<br>
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKPwLPr5RJg<br>
 
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(the old link being no longer valid)<br>
 
Kind regards<br>
 
David<br>
 
[[User:Dwsolo|dwsolo]] 14:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 
:I've replied by email. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 15:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Liturgical music ==
 
Hi Rob.  I noticed you changed the musical cat on [[Veni Sancte Spiritus (André Vierendeels)|this]] score.  You attempted to start a discussion on the forums a while back on the issue of labelling "liturgical music" which, to the best of my knowledge, didn't really seem to be picked up by anyone but us.  I'm afraid I feel that the "motet" label you added is not quite what we need.  The piece is a sequence, and therefore in liturgical terms rather limited in its use.  A motet is more versatile, since it mostly refers to an antiphon which, almost by definition, tends to be re-used throughout the church year.  I deliberately did <i>not</i> pick the "motets" cat, because I feel it might make a substantial difference to those conductors and singers who value this sort of background information in compiling their programs, as I do.  As vague as "liturgical music" might seem, it is closer to the piece than "motet".  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 19:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Walford Davies Pslam ==
 
 
 
My Religious Institution give me full copyright license for all works that are taken from the our music library this is inculded in it
 
[[User:David Passmore|Davcpas123]] 12:57, 25 December 2009 (GMT)
 
:David, thank you for your reply but I'm afraid it hasn't elucidated the issue for me. What is this "full copyright license"? What does it entail? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
Thanks for the message, and merry Christmas to you too. I'll endeavour to get the titles right in future. I tried changing one on the composer page, but it then seemed to want me to submit the music details again. Rather than do so, I've left it to the experts, since I was worried that I might create havoc by doing it myself. I've also been consistently leaving off the music files heading, I gather. I'll aim not to do that in future.
 
 
 
I've been meaning to get round to contributing, since I have a lot of stuff in Capella that I've amassed over the years. The trouble is that, if you are only adding one piece, the process can seem a bit daunting. However, we're in Italy at the moment for three weeks and I've now got into the swing of it. I've even been impertinent enough to change the order of the oratorios on the Handel page. I transcribed all the choruses from Samson a year or so back when ourchoir did it - the text is a bit non-PC! - and noticed that it wasn't on CPDL at the moment. So I edited the file so that they now appear in alphabetical order. Hope that I haven't caused a major upset in ignorance.
 
 
 
I haven't yet got round to adding texts, but I'll endeavour to master that shortly.
 
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 18:04, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== CPDL #1960 ==
 
 
 
Hi Rob! I just saw that the [[Joy to the World (George Frideric Handel)|above edition]] was removed after being reported as a plagiarism ([http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3324&start=0]). How do you think about completely removing the (quite useless) remainder of this edition? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 02:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 
:Hi Carlos, yeah sure, I've removed it. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Thanks! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 12:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
== John/Richard Dering ==
 
 
 
Sorry about that, Bob. Incompetence on my part. I was correcting a misattribution (John Dering, instead of Richard Dering) and misunderstood at what point I should use move page. Perhaps I'll leave it to the experts in future!
 
Incidentally, it's not entirely obvious to me how I reply to comments. I've used User talk, but it would seem sensible if I could do it straight from your comment.
 
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 12:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 
  
:Hi James. No problem, I know the right way to approach a problem is far from obvious when you're new to a wiki. Don't worry about trying to fix problems yourself (mistakes can always be corrected) but if you want to ask first, feel free to post your question here or on [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3 the forums]. As for replying to messages on talk pages, all you need do is click on the "edit" button at the top of the page or directly right of the discussion title. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)
  
== Linux ==
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== moving categories? ==
  
 
Hi Bob,
 
Hi Bob,
  
The upload section isn't very Linux friendly. We Ubuntu users - some 13 million strong use MuseScore as our editor. It outputs in it's native format (mscz) as well as MusicXML and LilyPond. Sound outputs include MIDI, FLAC and OGG.
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I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)
  
I ''can'' convert to mp3, but it's yet another extra step in the process. There are also Mac and Windows versions of MuseScore, and it's open source.
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:Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a [[Special:ReplaceText|ReplaceText]] instead). Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
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::Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
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:::Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)
  
If I'm not mistaken, Mac users can open FLAC and OGG natively, and there are freebies for Windows users.
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== O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods ==
  
I suspect your server is running Linux.
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Mr. Nottingham:
  
[[User:Gacb|Gacb]] 19:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.
  
:Hello there. I'm afraid I don't know very much about the server setup here at CPDL. Your query would be better addressed to [[User talk:Choralia|Max]] or [[User talk:Carlos|Carlos]], our two techies. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 23:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5.
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I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.
  
== [[:Category:CMD]] ==
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Mark Miller
  
Hi Bob,
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[[User:Millermc|Millermc]] ([[User talk:Millermc|talk]]) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)
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:Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)
  
I left my thoughts here after realizing a simple redirect wont solve the problem. Or is there a way to redirect categories? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 05:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Template:Composer page/preload ==
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Bob,
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I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me?
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--[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] 19:23, 2 November 2012‎
  
: Hi Richard and Rob.  One should use something like: &nbsp; '''Meter:''' <tt><nowiki>{{cat|86. 86. D (C.M.D.)}}</nowiki></tt>.  I fixed the two works in Category:CMD and deleted the category. You're right, there is no adequate redirect for categories, so these fixes should be done by hand. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 23:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)
  
== Rorate coeli ==
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Bob,
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Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] ([[User talk:IanHaslam|talk]]) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
  
Hi,
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== Links lead to (harmless) spam ==
  
I'm not sure understand "incorrect composer" part of the cleanup tag, even after checking "what links here". I notice that the familiar Anglican "Advent Prose" here is not the same as the introit for Advent IV in the LU, though: did you mean it's not properly 'Gregorian'? "Sarum chant", perhaps? The Oxford Carol book is oddly unhelpful...  [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 06:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with.
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Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. [[User:RMD|RMD]] ([[User talk:RMD|talk]]) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
  
:Hi Richard. Sorry for the late reply. I've completed the "administrative" elements of the clean up but, like you, the origin of this antiphon is unknown to me. Perhaps it would be better placed as "Anonymous"? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 13:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Webbe's ''When winds breathe soft'' ==
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I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.<br>
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Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe<br>
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Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger<br>
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Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being ''A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves'' <br>
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Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging <br>
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Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur<br>
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Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.<br>
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Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast<br>
  
:: The one given as "Gregorian chant" is indeed from the Liber Usualis. See [http://romaaeterna.jp/liber1/lu1868b.html here]. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
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In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)<br>
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[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
  
:::Ah yes, in the appendix on p. 1569, where it appears to be an item that may be freely used throughout Advent. This needs to be disambiguated from the one on p. 320 that I described at [[Talk:Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant)]].  I would suggest [[Rorate caeli (introit)]] and [[Rorate caeli (Advent prose)]], and replacing the merger tag on the two present pages, if this is indeed the same as [[Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant)]].  [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 22:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  
::::Are we in danger of splitting hairs too finely here and over-categorizing? Honestly, I don't know. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 05:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
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== To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne ==
  
:::::There exist two different pieces of music, but if you have been able to open the file at [[Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant)]] and it's the same music as the page you cited above, then we currently have two pages with the same music that should be merged.   Can you confirm that please? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 09:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL. They appear in my account thus -
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23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current)
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23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)
  
::::::As I stated on [[Talk:Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant)|one of the talk pages]], they are different pieces. As for the issue over the "composer", I'd be happier sticking to [[Anonymous]] for anything which doesn't fit under the current [[Gregorian chant]] or [[Ambrosian chant]] pages. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 12:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
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but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H
  
:::::::I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but since I cant open finale files, would either of you please answer my question on [[Talk:Rorate caeli (introit) (Gregorian chant)]]? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 20:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
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PS
  
::::::::Hi Richard. I've just reformatted the link on the page so that it is now a deep link, pointing directly to the Finale file. You should be able to download it and open it in Finale 2003 or later, or by using the free [[ChoralWiki:Downloadable_tools#Finale_Reader|Finale Reader]]. The situation with Abel di Marco's website is unlikely to change and we cannot host PDF files for copyright reasons. However, deep links like this one should be a workable solution. I (or someone else!) just needs to update all the links on CPDL now... --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
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Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --[[user:PeterHarris|PeterHarris]] 12:00, 7 October 2014‎
  
:: I was finally able to open the file, and indeed the DiMarco edition, with different music from the Solims edition, is the Gregorian Introit for Advent IV, with the Psalm (''Caeni enerrant gloriam Dei''...) and Gloria Patri.  The second and third verses (given in the text for that page) are not underlaid.  The music for the Solims edition is 9I believe) intended as the Antiphon for the prayers "Ne irascaris", "Peccavimus", "Vide Domine", "Consolamini" (in the reference cited above) for Advent, known in the Anglican church as "Advent Prose".  It has been CPDL norm to refrain (as much as possible) from putting anything other than composer/source in parentheses in the title of a works page, so perhaps it is better here simply to disambiguate. Alternatively, if we must indicate the function parenthetically in the title, then I suggest "Rorate caeli (Antiphon) (Gregorian chant)" and "Rorate caeli (Introit) (Gregorian chant)". &ndash;[[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 12:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
  
:::I think a simple disambiguation of "Rorate caeli desuper I (Gregorian chant)" and "Rorate caeli desuper II (Gregorian chant)" is the best solution here. I agree with Chuck that we should avoid including the genre/liturgical use of the work in the page title. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 21:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
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::Thanks, Carlos --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
  
::::Thanks to both your efforts! Finale reader doesnt seem to work on my Mac, but at least it seems clear to me now what we're dealing with.  Indices of chant books sort works by function and since it's not obvious which would be I and which II anyway, I'd vote for something like Chuck's dab above:  "Rorate caeli (Introit) (Gregorian chant)" &  "Rorate caeli (Advent Prose) (Gregorian chant)". [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 08:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL ==
  
:::::I'm surprised that Finale Reader won't work on your computer. I noted that there's a Mac version when I looked at the webpage earlier. What was the problem you had? I ask because this will have a wider effect on our Mac users who won't otherwise be able to access the Finale-only editions available here. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 21:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 
  
::::::  Persistence seems to pay off: if I click on an ETF file, it launches finale Reader 2009.r1 for Mac which I had previously installed, but nothing further happens. Going through File/open gets me the "Finale Reader cannot open ETF files" message.    But File/open _does_ work with .mus and I can now see the Rorate coeli introit.   Clicking on Marco's "partitura" buttons (http://www.pucpr.edu/diocesis/musica/VeniSancSp.htm), however, gets me nothing but a picture of a coffee cup, with no "save as" option.  I think Vaarky has this same problem. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 23:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
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Dear Mr. Nottingham,
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My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.
  
== Violin accompaniment category ==
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My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?
  
Bob
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I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?
  
Would it be possible to add a category for "violin accompaniment"? There is one for the flute, for instance. "String ensemble" on its own seems inappropriate for a single violin with continuo or a virtuoso solo violin, string ensemble and continuo for instance. [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 22:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.
:Hi Jonathan. I've just created the relevant [[Template:ViolinAcc|template]] and [[:Category:Violin accompaniment|category]] as requested. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Franz Schubert - Fünf Duette ==
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Thank you so much for your time.
  
Good evening Mr Bobnotts... I have some problems to edit Schubert's composer page and also edit a new work page. I cannot input a newline character which make impossible to make link to more new works. In this case i uploaded a cycle of 5 duets of Schubert, each of which needs a new page for individual midi file ans typescore file. More, they each have a different catalogue number (Deutsch 199, 202, 203, 204 and 205). Can you please help me to handle this ? Is there any reason for this impossibility to put a newline character (CR) in the wiki modification frame ? The break markup doesnot even seem to function. Last week i was able to use that. Thank you.... [[User:BenZene|BenZene]] 17:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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Sincerely,
:Hi BenZene. To create a line break on a wiki page, simply type <tt><nowiki><br></nowiki></tt>. As for your other queries, I'm afraid I'll have to take a look later as I've got to dash now. Perhaps you could let me know if you think you've figured it out? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 14:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== interwiki vs website ==
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Cindy Bauchspies
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DMA (ABD), University of Maryland
  
Hi Rob, this it just to let you know that I also created an interwiki for dimarco's site, and now both syntaxes can be used interchangeably:
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Director, Women's Glee Club
*<tt><nowiki>[{{website|dimarco}}/Rorate%A0Caeli.MUS Finale 2003]</nowiki></tt>
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United States Naval Academy
*<tt><nowiki>[[dimarco:Rorate%A0Caeli.MUS|Finale 2003]]</nowiki></tt>
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Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road
Which of them do you prefer? I particularly like the cleaner look of interwikis. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 15:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
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U.S. Naval Academy
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Annapolis, MD 21402-5086
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Tel: (410) 293-2439
  
== Trying to upload new versions of my existing editions ==
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== Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML ==
  
 
Dear Robert,
 
Dear Robert,
You helped me once before. I've uploaded new versions of three works by Robert Parsons which I had completed editorially. The next step is supposed to be (if just asking for help with this) to click on help - feedback. 'Feedback'I can't find anywhere, despite being logged on, so am now stymied.
 
All advice welcome.
 
Thanks.
 
Mick Swithinbank
 
  
:Hi Mick. I've just updated those three editions. Thanks for the revisions! Could you tell me where you were advised to click on "Help - feedback"? I'm a bit confused by that. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
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I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.
  
== Matthew Weisher ==
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Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.
  
Hi Rob.  You created [[Matthew Weisher]]'s composer page a few days ago, but there are no listed there.  Are any forthcoming?  I created [[:Category:Matthew Weisher compositions]] for symmetry. If it turns out that Weisher should be (unhosted) then we'll have to delete the category I created. Best... &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 22:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
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Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, [http://www.ukaaf.org/guidancedocuments/pdf/g009/finish here].
:Hi Chuck. If I remember correctly, I created that page intending to add a work by Weisher but then found he had not uploaded any files. I emailed him but haven't received a reply yet. If you want to delete the page or mark it for deletion if nothing added in a month, feel free. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 07:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Text source ==
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Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The [http://delysid.org/freedots.html Freedots project] is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the [http://standalone.music4vip.org/en/musicxml_to_bmml/conversion_step_1 VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter] is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by [http://www.dancingdots.com Dancing Dots]. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.
  
Hi Bob, <br>  I like the logic of [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Oculi_omnium_(José_Maur%C3%ADcio_Nunes_Garcia)&curid=57348&diff=244591&oldid=241831 your edit here], in that it takes the normal place of 'Lyricist'.   Would we both be OK with some redundacy, though?  [[Sing, O heavens (Arthur Sullivan)|Here]] it would be nice to see at a glance what came from where. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 21:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores [http://www.rnib.org.uk/cy/information-everyday-living-home-and-leisure-music-reading-music-accessible-formats/talking-scores on the RNIB's web site]
:I see what you mean, Richard. Perhaps it could be done in small text [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=ChoralWiki%3ASandbox&diff=244682&oldid=190355 like this]? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::Thanks, A nice trick to learn! [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 22:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Giovanni Ghizzolo ==
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As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.
  
Hi Rob, I noticed that you changed the voicing in a couple of recent editions by this composer, from choral to solo. Do you think that in this case the genre Arias would fit better than Madrigals? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
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The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.
:Most likely, yes. To be honest, I don't really have any competency in this area. I was just going by the voicings for other similar works by him that have also been added here. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::I'm only the humble uploader, so I don't really have anything to say about the scores or their background info, but to me as an amateur musician, "aria" sounds a lot later and stylistically different. The fact that the Italian publisher referred to his collections as (containing) arias doesn't suffice imho. They're short, secular (renascence) songs that do not fit into a larger composition, so I'd be hesitant in referring to them as arias. If we did, what would be the difference between an aria and, say, a German Lied, apart from the odd century or 3?  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 22:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Loading hymn tunes (without words) ==
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I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.
  
Since I've been adding quite a bit to the Sullivan site, I am thinking of populating the list of hymn tunes there with actual music. However, I don't want to cause more irritation than necessary by doing it in a way that gives problems to the editors. I've therefore loaded one up (Constance). Could you take a look when you have a moment and let me know if you are happy with my doing it that way? If not, feel free to suggest how to improve it. Constance is also a tune for "I've found a friend" which I've loaded seperately under "Hymns with words". The two entries share a midi file, but the pdf and cap files are different. Let me know whether it would be easier to add another midi file or not.[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 18:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.
:Hi James. Thanks for all your contributions to date: the [[Sullivan]] page has really swelled recently! To your question... firstly, thank you for your consideration in only adding one first. Personally, I don't really see the point in contributing hymn tunes with the harmony alone without the hymn itself. The only exceptions I can think of are:
 
:#when the tune and harmony never had words assigned to them during the composer's lifetime, or
 
:#when the tune and harmony have been composed by a living composer who has contributed it in the hope that someone will add a suitable text.
 
:My opinion is that without the words, a hymn tune and harmony is fairly useless unless we anticipate choral directors and choirmasters to come on here looking for particular tunes to set to words. Surely they already have hymn books in their churches or cathedrals? My standpoint is therefore that the best way to present hymns for download on this site is with all elements included, providing a different edition if necessary for a hymn tune that has more than one text commonly associated with it.
 
:However, the official CPDL line on this is that these "hymn settings" are welcome for inclusion and I have just formatted [[Constance (Arthur Sullivan)]] in the way that I believe is consistent with the other "hymn settings" on here. We don't include the Language template on the page because there is no text. If you have any questions about meter, Chuck is probably your man!
 
:Best wishes --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:: I take your point, given that the site is CHORAL Wiki, so choir Aahs replacing actual words is a bit odd. However, I think the site has more than one aim. One is to enable people to find particular pieces of music; I think a second is to point people towards other things by a composer they value, but which they didn't know existed. I'm sure that most hymnbooks will have Sullivan's "Golden Sheaves" set to "To Thee, O Lord, our hearts we raise", but many of his other tunes have disappeared from modern hymnbooks, perhaps because the words they were originally set to are very out of fashion nowadays. So I think there is a (minor) benefit in making such tunes available again. I think a sensible compromise would be to include still popular tunes with the words,(like "Golden Sheaves") but to load up other tunes without their now unfashionable words.[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 20:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Women's voices ==
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With all best wishes,
  
Bob
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Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)
  
It is quite rare to come across baroque/classical works which seem to be composed for exclusively women's voices. Is it worth adding a category for the few that there are?
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:Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/ CPDL Forums]? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  
[[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 07:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly' ==
:Sorry for the delayed reply. I have to confess to having only just noticed your message. Well as this is an interesting subsect, that would make sense. The idea gets my blessing but it may be worth asking on the forums as well, especially to get an idea for which category it would be a sub-category of. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 13:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Psalm 106:47 ==
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Hi Bob
  
Hi Rob... I replied to your query on [[Talk:Save us, Lord our God (Charles H. Giffen)]]. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 02:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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Great score. However there are a few errors
  
== Rameau - Ô nuit ==
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Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat
Hi,
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Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat
Why did you remove the information I put about the lyricist and the arranger?
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Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat
  
Paroles de E. Sciortino, arrangement à 4 voix SATB de Joseph Noyon
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Regards
  
It's *very* important for this piece as Rameau composed only the theme of the "Duo des prêtresses de Diane" in his opera "Hippolyte & Aricie".
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Ian
  
The only thing is that I didn't figure out where I had to put it correctly. Couldn't you advise me?
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== 'Anthems' ==
Regards,
 
Bersyl91 16:15, 10 January 2011 (CST)
 
  
:Hi. I'm not entirely sure I know what you're getting at but I'll have a guess... [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=%C3%94_Nuit_(Jean-Philippe_Rameau)&action=historysubmit&diff=121494&oldid=121372 my only substantial edit to the page] was made about a year and a half ago. You'll forgive me for forgetting my exact reasoning in that time. It seems that I was a bit over ambitious in what I deleted. I think I deleted your translation of the "general information" on the basis that this would not normally be translated on a score page. However, I have now restored the lyricist's name onto the page. If you have any further questions, feel free to reply here. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:59, 10 January 2011 (CST)
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Hi Bob,
 
 
Hi,
 
Thank you for that. I don't know why I was only notified today of the modifications... Perhaps problems with my e-mail?
 
For me, it's difficult to know what has to be translated and what hasn't because I see the whole CPDL site in french...
 
How can we put the arranger's name? It's he which has really *created* the "Ô nuit" piece in changing the tempo, writing for 4 voices SATB instead af 2 women voices with baroque orchestra, etc. The history of this piece is very interesting, really. Thank you again, Bersyl91 17:25, 10 January 2011 (CST)
 
 
 
The original text of the "Duo des prêtresses de Diane" is:
 
"Rendons un éternel hommage
 
À la divinité qui règne sur nos cœurs.
 
Mais pour mériter ses faveurs
 
N'offrons à ses autels que des cœurs sans partage"
 
--Bersyl91 17:28, 10 January 2011 (CST)
 
 
 
:I've just added "Joseph Noyon" on a separate line with the "Arranger" label. I hope this is what you had in mind. If you want to add anything to the page (in English by preference), feel free. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:33, 16 January 2011 (CST)
 
 
 
Thank you, I think it's perfect - AFAIK. Bersyl91 09:16, 16 January 2011 (CST)
 
 
 
::This very interesting history really belongs on the work page! [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 16:40, 18 January 2011 (CST)
 
:::Please feel free to add it if you wish! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 07:55, 19 January 2011 (CST)
 
 
 
Hmm... I'm sorry I don't know exactly what you name the "work" page? --Bersyl91 17:11, 18 January 2011 (CST)
 
:I mean [[Ô Nuit (Jean-Philippe Rameau)|this page]]. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 07:55, 19 January 2011 (CST)
 
  
== Stainer Te Deum in G ==
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I was just contemplating (after editing [[Talk:William Boyce]]) adding a {{CC|Full anthems}} sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in [[:Category:Anthems]]? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
  
I think you have mistyped Stainer in making the alteration, Bob.
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== Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs ==
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 08:31, 19 February 2011 (CST)
 
:Thanks, that's been corrected. You know you can [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Te_Deum_in_G_(John_Stainer)&action=edit edit the page] too, right? ;-) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:10, 20 February 2011 (CST)
 
  
== Guatemalan composers ==
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It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] ([[User talk:Peter Gibson|talk]]) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
Bob
 
 
 
Could I ask you please to create a category for Guatemalan composers? There is one already and there will probably be at least one more.
 
 
 
Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 01:27, 27 February 2011 (CST)
 
:Looks like someone [[:Category:Guatemalan composers|beat me to it]] :-) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:04, 5 March 2011 (CST)
 
 
 
== CPDL Policy ==
 
 
 
Hi,
 
I have got a few questions about CPDL policy: Monteverdi mentioned viols/trombones ad libitum for some of his compositions in "Selva Morale et Spirituale". I am on the way adding these parts (Monteverdi did not publish them) and would like to know if it is preferable to have two editions of the full score, with and without viols/trombones or if it is advisable to save webspace by having only one edition. Similarly, do you prefer lean MIDI files or is it better to publish much larger MP3 in better quality?
 
Edit: I tried to register to the forum but it did not like my e-mail address.
 
[[User:PRott|PRott]] 05:43, 11 March 2011 (CST)
 
:Very sorry for the delay in getting back to you. You may have already had your question answered elsewhere. But if not,
 
:# Please publish as many versions of editions as you deem useful.
 
:# Generally, I would recommend you add MP3s in favour of MIDIs if you think that there is something to be gained from the public in a different format (eg. musical instrument sounds more authentic, tempi more accurate). If everyone were to add MP3s rather than MIDIs, this may cause us some concern but ultimately we'd find a way round it.
 
:If you're still having problems registering on the forums, please contact [[User_talk:Choralia|Max]] or [[User talk:Carlos|Carlos]] who are our resident techies :-) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:26, 28 September 2011 (CDT)
 
 
 
== non Papa : a qui me doib ie ==
 
Hi Rob, I've mistakenly created a second score page for this chanson and thus generated an obsolete score number.  Sorry 'bout that. 04:52, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
 
:Certainly not the end of the world. Thanks for your contributions! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:27, 28 September 2011 (CDT)
 
 
 
== How to close Score Requests? ==
 
 
 
Hi, I came across [[Request:Songs from the Bavarian Highlands (Edward Elgar)]] from 2002 and found that these 6 songs have been typeset in 2004 and 2007. Hence I changed the status to "Completed" and inserted a list. Should there be more on that Requests Page? is there somewhere a crib sheet on how to close Requests? And last question: how actively used is the Requests feature? Cheers -- [[User:KlausFoehl|KlausFoehl]] 07:50, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
 
:Hi Klaus. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. What you've done is exactly right so thanks for that :-) When a request has been completed, template should be changed from "requested" to "completed" as you have done. Adding the individual score pages is a bonus. To be honest, I'm not sure that the requests system is used all that much which is a shame. We don't have any hard data on this but from my observations, there don't seem to be many new requests made. I'm not sure how we could increase take up though... maybe start a discussion on [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/ the forums]? Cheers --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:31, 28 September 2011 (CDT)
 
 
 
== Stars Lyricist ==
 
 
 
I'll apologize forthright for taking so long to get back to you. School has taken much of my time and focus.
 
 
 
The lyrics for my piece "Stars" were written by me. Thus, placing the copyright in my possession.
 
 
 
I hope this helps to clear things up a little bit.
 
 
 
Anthony Pezzelle[[User:Pezzelle|Pezzelle]] 02:24, 28 September 2011 (CDT)
 
 
 
:Thanks for the clarification, Anthony. Don't worry about the delay. I'm pretty behind on all things CPDL at present unfortunately :-I've added the lyricist template to the page to confirm what you've told me. One final thing - you stated on the edition notes on the page "© Anthony Pezzelle May, 2009." but under "copyright" it says CPDL. Could you confirm which it is please? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:36, 28 September 2011 (CDT)
 
 
 
== Boyce's O praise the lord ==
 
 
 
Bob
 
 
 
Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?
 
 
 
Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)
 

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Boyce's O praise the lord

Bob

Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?

Jonathan Jonathang 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --Bobnotts talk 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs

Bob As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.

If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?

Peter Gibson 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --Bobnotts talk 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on Carols for Choirs 1 ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? Peter Gibson 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --Bobnotts talk 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on Carols for Choirs 1 that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. Peter Gibson 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --Bobnotts talk 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)

.capx

Hello, is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl? regardas W.D. Ebeling

Tye's "I will exalt"

Bob

I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? Jgoodliffe 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

moving categories?

Hi Bob,

I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? Richard Mix (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a ReplaceText instead). Regards, —Carlos (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? Richard Mix (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. Bobnotts talk 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods

Mr. Nottingham:

I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.

Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5. I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.

Mark Miller

Millermc (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers Bobnotts talk 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

Template:Composer page/preload

Bob, I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me? --IanHaslam 19:23, 2 November 2012‎

Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —Carlos (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)

Bob, Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.IanHaslam (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Links lead to (harmless) spam

It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with. Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. RMD (talk) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Webbe's When winds breathe soft

I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast

In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)
Jamesgibb (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --Bobnotts talk 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne

Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL. They appear in my account thus - 23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current) 23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)

but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H

PS

Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --PeterHarris 12:00, 7 October 2014‎

Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Carlos --Bobnotts talk 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL

Dear Mr. Nottingham, My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.

My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?

I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?

The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.

Thank you so much for your time.

Sincerely,

Cindy Bauchspies DMA (ABD), University of Maryland

Director, Women's Glee Club United States Naval Academy Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road U.S. Naval Academy Annapolis, MD 21402-5086 Tel: (410) 293-2439

Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML

Dear Robert,

I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.

Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.

Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, here.

Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The Freedots project is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by Dancing Dots. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.

Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores on the RNIB's web site

As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.

The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.

I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.

I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.

With all best wishes,

Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)

Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the CPDL Forums? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly'

Hi Bob

Great score. However there are a few errors

Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat

Regards

Ian

'Anthems'

Hi Bob,

I was just contemplating (after editing Talk:William Boyce) adding a Full anthems sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in Category:Anthems? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… Richard Mix (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs

It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? Peter Gibson (talk) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)