Template talk:AuthorTextsList

I spotted an alphabetized sequence on Rore's page (the order is at Il terzo libro de madrigali a cinque voci (Cipriano de Rore)):

• Vergine chiara (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine humana (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine in cui ho (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine pura (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine quante lagrime (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine saggia (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine santa (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine sola al mondo (Cipriano de Rore)
• Vergine tale è terra (Cipriano de Rore)

…but was very surprised to find only 3 of these at Francesco Petrarca#Texts by Francesco Petrarca! Template:LyricistSettingsList seem to do OK. Richard Mix (talk) 05:35, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

I believe that's because there are no Text Pages for some of those texts, yet, which is where the Author template goes that populates the AuthorTextsList. LyricistSettingsList is populated by filling out the Lyricist field on a Work Page, which has been done for all of the listed works. - GeoffG (talk) 06:47, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I see the problem of comparing texts on workpages that might differ by as little as a punctuation mark. Shouldn't the "Texts by Francesco Petrarca" header read instead "Textpages for works by Francesco Petrarca"? Richard Mix (talk) 21:32, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

We have to be careful there, because "Works" are by a Composer, while "Texts" are by an Author. Since Petrarch is an Author and not a Composer, there are texts by him, but not works by him. 'Vergine chiara' is a Text by Petrarch, but the musical setting of that text by Cipriano de Rore is a Work by de Rore. You could, perhaps, have 'Textpages for Works setting texts by Francesco Petrarca' but that starts to feel redundant and is overly restrictive. Texts, in many cases (such as Petrarch, Ariosto, the Bible), were originally published without a musical setting, so they should be able to have their own page, independent of any musical settings. Obviously, there is little reason to add them to this wiki if they have not been set chorally, but logically, they should not be dependent on a specific setting. If de Rore's setting of a sonnet by Petrarch has textual variants from its fourteenth century version, those variants can be detailed on the work page or, in the case of repeatedly set variants, on the text page, or both. - GeoffG (talk) 11:01, 16 November 2025 (UTC)