Talk:Musae Iovis (Nicolas Gombert)

Error in Score: The font I used for the mensuration sign in m. 43 did not print correctly. It should read as a backward C with a vertical stroke through it (diminutio). I will resubmit the corrected score.D-fished 18:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

create category for epitaphium or elegies or laments?

Should we create a category for elegies? Possible subcategories:

• on the death of composers, e.g.:
  • Musae Iovis (Nicolas Gombert) on Josquin
  • Ye sacred muses (William Byrd) on Thomas Tallis
  • Nymphes des bois (Josquin des Prez) on Ockeghem
  • Armes amours/O flour des flours (François Andrieu) on Machaut
  • O mors inevitabilis (Hieronymus Vinders) on Josquin
  • Death hath deprived me (Thomas Weelkes) on Thomas Morley
  • Mort tu as navrè de ton dart (Johannes Ockeghem) on Binchois
• on the death of royalty
• on grief over a lover who died or jilted
  • Lamento della Ninfa (Claudio Monteverdi)
  • Dido's lament, "When I am laid" (Henry Purcell, Dido and Aeneas)
• religious
  • Lamentations of Jeremiah which already exists

What should we call it? Lament/Laments unpluralizes more easily for category naming purposes... etc. But keeping it focused on Elegies keeps the focus on death clearer; otherwise, laments over lovers would cover both death and jilting. -- Vaarky 07:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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I've created Category:Laments. Should this category be included in the Genre section, and/or in the Description section, or at the bottom? For the pieces above, I've included it in the Genre section for the pieces linked above. -- Vaarky 08:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen♫ 15:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC)  Help  I've no problem with Laments (or Elegies or Epitaphia). I'm not so sure about including Lamentations of Jeremiah as a subcategory ... wouldn't including Passions or Requiems be next? To me it seems better to keep the new category for secular laments (or elegies). This way, the new category becomes an appropriate genre subcategory of Secular music. Sorry I haven't chimed in before, but thanks for creating a useful category!

Reply by: Vaarky 19:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)  Help  I think limiting it to secular laments makes sense, otherwise the category would be so large as to include about half the music on CPDL. I've seen people put together concert programs based on themes such as the musical laments for composers and a piece or two by that composer, so it might be useful in that way too. (I wonder if a secular celebration category might be useful down the line too, for music written to celebrate weddings, birthdays, coronations etc.)

A new edition under a different title has been posted here:

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/In_Josquinum_a_Prato_(Nicolas_Gombert)

I suggested in the discussion page there that it be merged with this works page. A message has since come up that redirects to this discussion page, so I'll repeat my suggestion here.