Talk:Videte miraculum (Thomas Tallis)

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Comparison of this edition with a published edition (pub. Mapa Mundi) shows a number of differences:

  1. Incipit should be in the B1 part (to correspond with the cantus firmus).
  2. The irregular barring used in this edition gives little, if any, benefit over 4/2 time throughout most of the piece.
  3. Many differences in word underlay and in ficta. These are generally a matter of personal preference, but performers might be well advised to consult the published score, which suggests (among many other things):
    • T1, bar 24 - repetition of "onerata"
    • A & T1, bars 35 & 36 - repetition of "cognoscit" (to coincide with S)
  4. Some notational differences:
    • S, bar 23 enters on the last crotchet and is held for 2 crotchets
    • T1, bar 37 - F# on "-scit" should be A
    • A, bar 39, 4th quaver E should possibly be D

--Adrianwall 22:00, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

As the editor in question, I'd like to reply to Adrianwall's commentary.

  1. Incipit can be sung by any part and should probably have been written on a separate staff above the edition.
  2. Barring is a completely modern imposition on the music, so the choice of barring is editorial, and therefore a matter of opinion. The piece has been published in double barring 8/2 - 6/2. The sources are marked slashed-C (like modern cut time signature).
  3. The underlay in the Mapa Mundi edition are in fact, changes they made to the 19th century edition published in England and the 18th century edition.
  4. I'm confused by the S. question in m23. S is singing though the entire measure, not entering. T1, m37, the F# is in agreement with 3 other sources. The leading tone F# to G is more likely than A. m39, A: 4th quaver questioning E is a good question (due to clash with D in T1). The pattern is suggested by T1, m36 and B2, m31.

Some of the irregularities of this piece come the from peculiarity of the Sarum rite chants. -- Paul Marchesano Marchesa 18:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)