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:Hello again, Thurlow. Thanks for your latest hymn, [[Come, Ye Faithful, Raise the Strain (Thurlow Weed)|Come, Ye Faithful, Raise the Strain]] (tune - [[Mount Pleasant]]) - just one thing - edition information should not be added to the hymn tune pages because that PDF and MIDI are of a "hymn setting" as we call it on CPDL, that is, a harmonised hymn tune. I have reverted those edits. Hymn tune pages should contain the tune only. See [[Angel Voices (Monk)]] for an example of a tune page with the melody added with LilyPond. The edition info already exists on a the hymn setting page, [[Mount Pleasant (Thurlow Weed)]]. Across the whole of CPDL, edition info should only exist on one page (I can't think of an exception). There should really be some help material for all this but it's one item on a long list of things to do! I hope that all makes sense, it isn't meant to be a reprimand (you've got no idea how things work unless someone tells you, of course)! Feel free to ask questions. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 23:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)
:Hello again, Thurlow. Thanks for your latest hymn, [[Come, Ye Faithful, Raise the Strain (Thurlow Weed)|Come, Ye Faithful, Raise the Strain]] (tune - [[Mount Pleasant]]) - just one thing - edition information should not be added to the hymn tune pages because that PDF and MIDI are of a "hymn setting" as we call it on CPDL, that is, a harmonised hymn tune. I have reverted those edits. Hymn tune pages should contain the tune only. See [[Angel Voices (Monk)]] for an example of a tune page with the melody added with LilyPond. The edition info already exists on a the hymn setting page, [[Mount Pleasant (Thurlow Weed)]]. Across the whole of CPDL, edition info should only exist on one page (I can't think of an exception). There should really be some help material for all this but it's one item on a long list of things to do! I hope that all makes sense, it isn't meant to be a reprimand (you've got no idea how things work unless someone tells you, of course)! Feel free to ask questions. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 23:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)
::Thank you for the clarification, Robert.  All very helpful to know, as there are numerous places to find hymns in their several formats.  I have a question regarding Shape Note hymns.  I've seen they have their own category -- which is appropriate, but how should I list them on my Composer page?  Currently the subheaders are Tunes, Harmonisations, and Hymns.  Would I be correct in thinking this would be a third category, following the HYMNS and its subdivisions?  If so, it would be a simple matter for me to study the code and create that heading.
::With regard to hymn tunes (melody only) is LilyPond the only format used for this?  Preferred format?  I use Finale PrintMusic 2008, so it would be very easy to extract the tunes, though it would be a pdf.  I had downloaded LP a long time ago, but for this traditionalist it seemed an awkward way to write music, so I abandoned it.  For just a tune, however, I reckon I could wrap my brain around it.
::I'm also curious about the shape note tunes already posted.  While there are some engraving programs that will do the shapes, the posted items are all round notes.  I can't help but wonder if this is for ease of reading by modern choirs that -- I've discovered -- are easily confused by noteheads that aren't round?  [[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] 03:58, 24 February 2008 (PST)

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Missa Brevis

Hello Thurlow. Welcome to CPDL and thanks for your recent contributions. I have just merged the individual mass score pages (as is the convention for masses on CPDL) so they now all exist on 1 page, Missa Brevis (Thurlow Weed) and I've corrected the links on your composer page. If you wish to typeset your works at a later date, you may find a music notation software program to your liking on this page. Kind regards --Bobnotts talk 23:20, 4 February 2008 (PST)


Thank you, Robert. While I was able to figure out how to successfully post the works and remove the midi icon, I wasn't certain how to separate/combine things as you have so tidily done. I have written several ostinati which I'll put up in due time, and I'm sure a brief study of the wiki code as it is now, will guide the way for the third category.

Thank you also for the info about software. I've tried NotePad and Cakewalk in the past and have been very disappointed with them. I'll definitely look at some of the ones on your list.

I'm one of those composers who isn't as much interested in any royalties or other profits as I am having the music available for people to perform and enjoy -- that's why I wrote it in the first place. CPDL is a great medium for this.

Now hopefully this reply works.... wiki is an entirely new medium for this newbie -- thank goodness for the forums!

Tweedfour 09:23, 5 February 2008 (PST)

Your hymns

Hi Thurlow. I've just ordered the links to pages for hymns, hymn tunes and hymn settings on your composer page. I've also created new hymn tune pages for Gospel Feast and Old Lancaster. The established standard for hymns on CPDL is to have a hymn tune page for every hymn that is featured for cross -referencing though this doesn't always happen. Also, there currently isn't a way to automate the process. If you can get your head round creating new hymn tune pages when you add a hymn that would be great. If not, don't worry, someone will (hopefully!) come along and sort it out. --Bobnotts talk 08:57, 15 February 2008 (PST)

Hi, Robert. I was just about to upload the latest hymn tune, but read your message first. I'll have to peruse how you've re-configured things so I can enter the wiki correctly. And just when I've gotten the hang of it....! Tweedfour 09:15, 15 February 2008 (PST)

Robert, an addendum to the previous response. I just stuck the newest tune on to the page, and it wasn't difficult at all. I also found the page for the Metres. Thanks for your help! Tweedfour 09:47, 15 February 2008 (PST)

Hello again, Thurlow. Thanks for your latest hymn, Come, Ye Faithful, Raise the Strain (tune - Mount Pleasant) - just one thing - edition information should not be added to the hymn tune pages because that PDF and MIDI are of a "hymn setting" as we call it on CPDL, that is, a harmonised hymn tune. I have reverted those edits. Hymn tune pages should contain the tune only. See Angel Voices (Monk) for an example of a tune page with the melody added with LilyPond. The edition info already exists on a the hymn setting page, Mount Pleasant (Thurlow Weed). Across the whole of CPDL, edition info should only exist on one page (I can't think of an exception). There should really be some help material for all this but it's one item on a long list of things to do! I hope that all makes sense, it isn't meant to be a reprimand (you've got no idea how things work unless someone tells you, of course)! Feel free to ask questions. --Bobnotts talk 23:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)
Thank you for the clarification, Robert. All very helpful to know, as there are numerous places to find hymns in their several formats. I have a question regarding Shape Note hymns. I've seen they have their own category -- which is appropriate, but how should I list them on my Composer page? Currently the subheaders are Tunes, Harmonisations, and Hymns. Would I be correct in thinking this would be a third category, following the HYMNS and its subdivisions? If so, it would be a simple matter for me to study the code and create that heading.
With regard to hymn tunes (melody only) is LilyPond the only format used for this? Preferred format? I use Finale PrintMusic 2008, so it would be very easy to extract the tunes, though it would be a pdf. I had downloaded LP a long time ago, but for this traditionalist it seemed an awkward way to write music, so I abandoned it. For just a tune, however, I reckon I could wrap my brain around it.
I'm also curious about the shape note tunes already posted. While there are some engraving programs that will do the shapes, the posted items are all round notes. I can't help but wonder if this is for ease of reading by modern choirs that -- I've discovered -- are easily confused by noteheads that aren't round? Tweedfour 03:58, 24 February 2008 (PST)