User talk:Johnhenryfowler

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Voicing info on title

Hi John! I noticed you've been creating a few pages with "a 8", "a 10" etc. on the title. Do you think it's necessary? I usually only put voicing info on titles when it is necessary to distinguish two works by the same composer that have different number of voices; in all other situations I prefer the shorter, simpler title without it. But I guess there's no rule here at CPDL about it, it's a matter of taste. -- Carlos^Talk 11:46, 29 June 2008 (PDT)

Hi Carlos, I'm actually not a proponent of the "a n", disignations, but merely following what Sabane had used as a title. I've omitted "a 4" because it's really not needed on a SATB work. If you do want to rename, just rename the display name, not the source name, so reloads will work. ie: Ave Maria Johnhenryfowler 12:48, 29 June 2008 (PDT)

Now I saw that Sabine used the "a n" designations inside the PDFs too, so perhaps we should leave the titles the way she conceived them. By the way, do you want me to create a composer page for "Faux des Spickable"? (just kidding! where did you take this crazy name from? :) -- Carlos^Talk 13:16, 29 June 2008 (PDT)

Big task? - No problem!

		The Treble clef award
		for tenacity in large-scale tasks is hereby awarded to John Henry Fowler for tackling big projects that greatly expand the usefulness of CPDL. — Chucktalk Giffen♫

Montecassino Ms-Adoramus te Domine PDF & MIDI files

Hi John. You never got back to me about what files I was supposed to make PDFs and MIDs for, but after much searching, I finally found Montecassino Ms-Adoramus te Domine.mus which says it is a Finale 2007 file, so I've made the following files:

File:Montecassino Ms-Adoramus te Domine.MID

File:Montecassino Ms-Adoramus te Domine.pdf

I hope these were the ones you wanted. -- Chuck_talk Giffen_♫ 10:20, 3 July 2008 (PDT)

Adding editions which aren't available (yet)

Hi John. Great to see all these links to Art Song Central popping up. Unfortunately, on looking at one of the works page on ASC, I found that the work you indexed into CPDL isn't actually available there, though apparently it will be coming in the future. I have commented out all the edition info for ASC on the following pages:

• O Perfect Love (Traditional)
• You'll git dar in de mornin'! (Traditional)
• La dernière feuille, Op. 2, No. 4 (Ernest Chausson)
• Ave Maria (Giulio Caccini)
• Come raggio di sol (Antonio Caldara)

I don't think it's a good idea to add links to sites for a resource that isn't there yet, even if it will be added soon. A user who comes to the CPDL works page from the "Most recent scores" list expecting to find a score or link to one would be disappointed. I suggest that you don't add score entries for works that aren't available. --Bobnotts talk 08:49, 13 July 2008 (PDT)

For what it's worth, the lack of links on ASC's Come raggio di sol was due to a faulty edit I made last night to remove a dead link. I have now replaced the information. The others in your list link to external sites. Two to Project Gutenberg, and two, if I recall correctly offhand to WIMA. Rather than remove those valuable resources from CPDL's links, it would be reasonable to link directly to those sites. I don't ever make song posts for material that is not immediately accessible. In any case, I thank both of you for your good work here. (And Bob, I hope I haven't caused hard feelings by my reaction to your post on IMSLP.) --David Newman talk 12:52am, 14 July 2008 (EST)

For what it's worth all the posting worked when I posted them, and they all pointed to pages at ASC. Welcome to cyberspace? Johnhenryfowler 10:52, 16 July 2008 (PDT)

John, I wasn't disputing the fact that all of the links you added pointed to ASC pages which exist, just that there wasn't a score scanned by David Newman available on those pages. There were indeed ASC pages for the score pages that I listed above, but they simply pointed to other resources available elsewhere on the web (and still do). PS. Your talk page is getting quite long. Perhaps you'd like to archive it - or I'd be happy to do it for you. --Bobnotts talk 07:00, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Now that I understand your objection, I agree with you. Where the PDF file is not ASC's generated file, but rather a pointer to a different source, I will use the original source, and put the ASC pointer in the external links area of the works page. BTW: Feel free to archive my talk page the way you or Chuck did. It will make it more managable. Johnhenryfowler 11:57, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Stanford you gave me to add

Hi John. I finally got round to adding Andrew Crookall's edition of Stanford's communion service in B flat and I've just been looking at his edition of the Kyrie and Sanctus of the setting in C. However, I've been listening to a recording and the two don't match. Can you shed any light on the situation? Where did the Sibelius files come from? Hopefully, I'll be able to get my hands on published editions of all of Stanford's communion services so I can sort this out. --Bobnotts talk 18:50, 21 July 2008 (PDT)

Hi Bob, http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/4/4b/Stanford-Masses-From-Crookall.zip <-- I've uploaded the original zip file that was on Crookall's site before it dissappeared. This is where the Sibelius files came from. Inside the zip there are duplicate names "Kyrie in C" and "Sanctus in C" a pair from 4/7/04 and the other 1/1/2004 and 12/30/2003 respectively. There thay be confusion between the communion service and the canticles. I believe that "Stanford in C" could stand for either. Good luck on the forensics ! Johnhenryfowler 23:46, 21 July 2008 (PDT)

Deep linking

Hi John. All the new editions that you're indexing into CPDL is really improving the choice and variety of works available here, it's great to come to CPDL and see all the new links.

A few points:

1. Deep linking to resources, such as the link you added to the PDF of Après un rêve, Op. 7, No. 1 (Gabriel Fauré) from the Mutopia Project is considered bad netiquette (net etiquette) because it uses another site's bandwidth without actually linking to one of their web pages and giving them visitors. Where the link is to a PDF/MIDI/etc on the Williams College or CPDL servers, of course it is fine to have a direct link. Even if you have permission to deep link to the Mutopia Project in this fashion, it's not useful for users who miss out on the other resources available on the MP score page including PDFs in alternative paper sizes, MIDI and source files.
2. Secondly, please include the name of the editor of the edition in question, not "Mutopia" or "Mutopia Project". You can find the name of the editor in the bottom left hand corner of the Mutopia score page.
3. Finally, if you're going to include the details of scores hosted externally, please make sure that they're correct. In the case of Après un rêve, Op. 7, No. 1 (Gabriel Fauré), the A4 PDF is 73 kbytes, not 200 as you suggested. There are many other cases where I have corrected the PDF file size for score entries that you added - that was just one example.

You can see my edit to Après un rêve, Op. 7, No. 1 (Gabriel Fauré) here as an example. Thanks for your support in this - it'll save me a lot of time when I'm reviewing score pages! --Bobnotts talk 04:30, 22 July 2008 (PDT)