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alias [[User:Charles H. Giffen|Charles H. Giffen]] or simply [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]].</big></center>
alias [[User:Charles H. Giffen|Charles H. Giffen]] or simply [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]].</big></center>


Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a ChoralWiki editor/administrator.
Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a ChoralWiki editor/administrator.
* Comments and questions about [[Charles H. Giffen|scores I have edited]] for CPDL (other than my own compositions) should be posted here.  
* Comments and questions about [[User:Charles H. Giffen|scores I have edited]] for CPDL (other than my own compositions) should be posted here.  
* Comments and questions about my own [[Charles H. Giffen|compositions]] should be posted on my [[Talk:Charles H. Giffen|composer talk page]].  
* Comments and questions about my own [[Charles H. Giffen|compositions]] should be posted on my [[Talk:Charles H. Giffen|composer talk page]].  
You may also contact me (1) on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/privmsg.php?mode=post CPDL Forums], username: CHGiffen or (2) via e-mail:  chg4k AT yahoo DOT com (with " AT " and " DOT " replaced by "@" and "." respectively).
You may also contact me (1) on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/privmsg.php?mode=post CPDL Forums], username: CHGiffen or (2) via e-mail:  chg4k AT yahoo DOT com (with " AT " and " DOT " replaced by "@" and "." respectively).
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* [[/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Apr 2009 - Jun 2009
* [[/Archive 9|Archive 9]], Jul 2009 - Dec 2009


== Sortkey in [[Template:KbdRed]] ==
== Romanization of non-English scripts ==


Hi Chuck. Since you made some alterations to this template intending to remove the 9th parameter for a sort key, I thought I might ask if you could look again at the template. [[:Category:Keyboard reduction|The category]] doesn't seem to be sorting pages correctly, even when defaultsort is used properly on the score page. See [[The beauty of Israel is slain (Robert Barber)]] and [[A New Year Carol (Paul Stetsenko)]] for examples. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 13:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Chuck, I noticed that you created [[:Category:山本 健司 compositions]], and I'm concerned that this creates a precedence for page titles in other non Latin scripts as well, as Greek, Arab, Russian etc. Although CPDL is making an effort towards internationalization, I think we should discuss this better before giving such a big step. For the moment I'd suggest that the composer be contacted to allow for his pages to use [[w:Romaji]] transliteration instead of [[w:Hiragana]] (although we should keep redirects in the latter script). —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 17:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:Rob, I'd say it's just a caching effect. "The beauty of Israel" is already sorted under letter B. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 19:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::(Sorry for the interuption to your talk page, Chuck!) Yes, you're right about "The beauty of Israel" Carlos. But even when I "purge" the cache the other score page still comes up under "A". Is this normal? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Usually it may take some hours to update, but in this case what happened is that you added the sort key first and then you moved the page, and it seems to have confounded the system. When I opened the page and saved it with no changes, it immediatelly corrected the category entry. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 20:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
::::How strange. Is this a bug in the software or just a nuance we have to live with? In any case, thanks for enlightening me. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


== Composers who belong to more than one era ==
: Hi Carlos.  I agree with you, and it does indeed need discussion.  I only made the compositions category to keep the indexing current.  I think that such pages (including the composer and works pages) should appear transliterated. I'm in a hurry now. Hopefully, this will get some discussion so we can know how to proceed. Thanks! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 20:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi Chuck, I saw that you removed category "Modern" from [[Boris Ledkovsky]], but someone who lived until 1975 can not be considered exclusively an "Early 20th century" composer. Similarly, Monteverdi and others lived in the transition between the Renaissance (''prima pratica'') and the early Baroque (''seconda pratica''), and so on. I don't see a problem in adding categories for both eras in these cases. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 18:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
== Lyricists ==


:Seconding listing composers in multiple categories. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 05:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Chuck, the lyricist names were written in a couple of different ways; after correcting them in the works pages, a few duplicate categories could be deleted. [[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 00:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


: I've no problem with multiple era categories, but do we interpret these strictly in terms of the time a composer lived or the style in which the music is composed.  For Boris Ledkovsky, there is no ''secunda practica'' analogue, as his entire output was dedicated to traditional Russian Orthodox music, not really more modern than Rachmaninoff, who is not classified as modern at all. Where does Early 20th century end and Modern begin?  1935?  1950?  1965?  When I lived in Virginia, I had access to a large amount of (Boris) Ledkovsky music (as well as that of his son Alexander Ledkovsky) which I studied extensively, and my impression was always that the elder Ledkovsky should be regarded as early 20th century, or perhaps even as a holdover from the Romantic era.  Of course, if the distinction is to be based on the time period alone, then of course it may well be that Boris should be classified as modern (since mid or late 20th century are not presently available as musical eras)But if stylilstic grounds should be taken into account, then although not as convinced about the appropriateness of the classification, I'll not object further to Boris Ledkovsky being classified also in the modern era. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Carlos, I'm aware of duplications in lyricist names due to middle names, initials, etc. ... but I thought I'd create all the relevant categories first, which makes it easier to scan the resulting list and find those which should be combinedYou'll note I also created edition categories for the CPDL editors ... this should make it possible to keep better track of an editor's editions. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::You're right, creating the categories made it easy to spot the duplicates. I'm keeping the form used in Wikipedia as the standand whenever possible. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 00:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


::That's an interesting topic; I always thought that the classification at CPDL was done exclusively on a chronological basis. I guess I thought so because there are no categories for "neoclassical" or "modernist" composers, as there are for "classical" and "modern". In fact I feel that new categories based on style would be a welcome adition.
::: Yes, I agree that we should generally try to follow the Wikipedia form. I do know that Henry W. Longfellow will have to be changed to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (I hope Wikipedia has it that way!), because every U.S. American knows him by his full name!! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::''"Where does Early 20th century end and Modern begin?"'' Good question! In fact there isn't such an expression as "Early 20th century" in Portuguese; what is used that I think comes closer to it is "Post-romantic". My guess is that "Modern" begins around or right after WWII. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 00:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


:::Intg topic indeed. I too thought the category of Renaissance Composers was based on when a composer lived (and whether they spanned two periods), rather than the style of work they composed. I know people living now who have written pieces in the Renaissance style, but I think the vast majority of CPDL users would be surprised to find a living composer classified as a Renaissance composer. Also, basing it on their lifespan would avoid having to put 5 or more categories for a composer who composed in the Renaissance, Romantic, Modern, Baroque and various other styles. And it would avoid the whole debate of NeoClassical versus Classical. Also, in a musical book, a living composer would be in an index of Modern composers, never Renaissance composers. To me, it just doesn't make sense to classify a composer by the type of work they published instead of the period(s) they spanned. They are still a product of their times even if writing exclusively in an earlier style. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 03:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
== Re; An editor's editions... ==


== Philip's talk page ==
Hi Chuck,


Hi Chuck, when you replied to me in Philip's talk page, you inadvertently removed his own reply. I'd fix it but I thought you'd like to do it yourself. By the way, that ''mea culpa'' section was placed correctly? It doesn't seem to be related to the conversation above it, please check. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your message - I've added one of your links to my user page, and the resulting layout of my scores looks much neater! Thanks for this.


: Hi Carlos.  Interestingly, Philip's reply didn't appear at all when I loaded the page and opened it for editing, so I never saw his reply until I read your message here - maybe a caching problem - or maybe I'm going blind? :)  The ''mea culpa'' is indented one from where you made your comment about it being my mistake, so I think it's placed right. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 12:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Best wishes,<br>
[[User:Edward Tambling|Edward Tambling]] 13:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


::Yes, it may be a caching problem. Perhaps you had his talk page open before he left his own reply, in which case you wouldn't see it when you decided to reply too. As for the other message, only now I noticed that Philip had cited you in his reply, sorry for my inattention. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 19:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
== Metre (ok meter) for hymns ==


::: No problem! :) -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 21:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've been discussing with Robert Nottingham the best way to add hymns and have been following the scheme he suggested, especially as regards meter. However, when I've done this for some (see Draw nigh and take the body of the Lord (Sullivan)) it comes up red, which presumably means the category does not exist. (We are stepping over the boundaries of my competence here!) Is there a simple way to correct this, or is it better for me to leave it to the editors to sort out? Robert says that you are the expert here, Chuck!
--[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 14:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


== Score page with no editions ==
== View counters ==


"Should this page even exist (except for having the text to the work)?"<br>
Hi Chuck, Just a curious note. I noticed the view counters at the bottom of the pages seem to have disappeared. Is that a policy revision that has gone into effect? Just wondering. Cheers, Paul [[User:Marchesa|Marchesa]] 15:44, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Nope - I deleted it and put the text [[ChoralWiki:Texts of works not yet added|here]]. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 17:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


: Thanks, Rob! I'm finding a lot of little things as I try to synchronize {{CiteCat|Composers}} entries with those in the union of {{CiteCat|Compositions by composer}} and {{CiteCat|Hidden Compositions by composer categories}}. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Paul.  I think we discovered that, when we went to a distributed structure with one Contributor and two Visitor sites, the counters became somewhat meaningless, because most views are on the Visitor sites, and they are daily updated with the previous day's Contributor site count.  We are working on a different type of counter for downloads. Best, &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


== Names with diacritics ==
== Message from Angelina Figus ==


Hi Chuck, don't worry about adding sort keys to names with diacritics; there's a new template, {{CiteTemp|StripAccents}}, that when finished will do it for us, ok? Less manual work for us. :) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 20:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Hallo, I am Angelina Figus.
: Chuck, just as a reminder, the template StripAccents is now fully functional, so there's no need to add a sortkey for Déodat de Séverac, for example, because <nowiki>{{LastName|Déodat de Séverac}}</nowiki> produces "{{LastName|Déodat de Séverac}}". Just trying to make things easier for you. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 03:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. You can remove the «cleanup template» on the one page,
:: Oops, you're right.  I overlooked that one (originally was sorted as De Severac...). -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 11:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
because it is OK now.
Grazie ancora!
[[User:Ange|Ange]] 11:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


== Sacred music by season ==
== [[:Category:SATB]] split ==


Hi Chuck, a couple of new and strayed categories were included recently in [[:category:Sacred music by season]], but they are all appearing in the beginning of the list. When you have a time, could you please add a sort key to them so they are ordered in a sequence  that you consider to be the most appropriate? Thanks —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Chuck,


== Modifying Wikipedia links ==
Vaarky & I are [[Category talk:SATB|talking about reorganizing SATB]], modeling on your very attractive version of {{CiteCat|2-part choral music}}.  I'm afraid I dont quite understand all the details, though I've experimented with transplanting the code to {{CiteCat|10-part choral music}}, with slightly less elegant results.  How can empty categories be undisplayed, how can multichoir subcats be grouped with parent, and how would the new SATB minor divisi subcategories be created?    [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 01:05, 23 January 2011 (CST)


Hi. I've recently signed up here on CPDL, to work on interconnection between CPDL and Wikipedia. My main aim is to add CPDL links to Wikipedia articles, however, I'm going to also correct links here to Wikipedia, when incorrect. But I'm not sure, when I find a link here, that points to a redirect on Wikipedia, whether I should correct it to the 'canonical' Wikipedia article name or leave it as it is. Which would you recommend? Thank you. --[[User:Tomaxer|Tomaxer]] 20:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
== score error ==


== New catalogues ==
Please, explain a new user: What's the "relevant edition" and How to find the correct page ? [[User:Aspergillus|Aspergillus]] 08:11, 1 March 2011 (CST)


Hi Chuck, the new catalogues are looking great! Much better than an static catalogue, isn't it? :)<br>
Oh, I've seen the answer... Thank you. [[User:Aspergillus|Aspergillus]] 08:16, 1 March 2011 (CST)
If you don't mind, I'd like to suggest a few cosmetic changes, see if you like them:
*What do you think of using "Online" instead of {{CPDL}} in the titles (so, "Online Score catalog" and "Online Composer catalog")? It would make more patent to users the dynamic nature of their content. Also, the red CPDL in this context could well be confounded with a broken link (it confounded me).
*Is there a personal/technical reason for not adding an space between the titles and the numbers? They'd look a little better as "ChoralWiki:Score catalog - 800" or "ChoralWiki:Score catalog (800)", for instance.
Your work with the composers categories was well worth the effort after all! :) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 00:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


: Hi Carlos.  I'll change it to Online.  No reason for fancy titles, as you suggest - I just followed the protocol that I used with the Popular scores and Popular composers.  Actually, all this might be a moot point once we upgrade the DPL, since I think it will support paging (I had a brief look at an example, but I didn't have time to study the code yet).  By the way, I used Category:Composers for the purpose of the indexing, but in the Composer list, the link is actually to the <composername> compositions category (for a shorter list) - thus if a red-link appears, then we will know to create the corresponding category with CompCatTxt ... I don't want to have to search through the 1400+ composers to align the results yet again!  I'm glad you like the catalogs, and I'll make the Online changes as soon as I can. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
== EditionsLink ==


:: Super-excellent work, Chuck. This is an additional asset for ChoralWiki. Congratulations! Max a.k.a. [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 05:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Chuck, I tried to include <tt><nowiki>{{EditionsLink}}</nowiki></tt> on [[User:Glenn O'Brien|Glenn O'Brien]]'s page, but a strange SQL error appeared. I suspect it's related to the apostrophe in his name. Would you like to check? Thanks. [[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 09:57, 24 March 2011 (CDT)


::: Wow, thank you Max! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 10:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Carlos, As near as I can decipher from the error message, it seems definitely related to the apostrophe in a PAGENAME.  When I pass "Glenn O'Brien" as the (optional) parameter, it works fine.  I'm guessing that the internal code (to DPL) tries to use an apostrophe as a delimiter somewhere, and when it encounters the apostrophe in the name it aborts because of what follow the apostromphe.  Smells like a bug that needs fixing.  Thanks for the alert! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 14:51, 24 March 2011 (CDT)


::::These catalogues will be really useful, Chuck, well done! I see you've already put links on the Main Page. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Great to know that it worked fine with the trick! Thanks, [[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 18:10, 24 March 2011 (CDT)


::::: Thanks Rob.  And Carlos, thanks for removing the (composer_name) from the listings of works in the Score catalog.  Also, I see you must have used a mass-edit to put a slash before the index numbers in the titles of page - looks nice! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
== Page title problem ==


::::::Yes Chuck, if fact it was an SQL query that added the slashes. A space or a hyphen can also be used; I just opted for the slash because the numbered pages would then become subpages of the main title. [[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 06:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Chuck, I've uploaded a new piece, but seem to have encountered some problem with one of the templates. It put the title of the piece in as the author as well. Unfortunately, I don't think I have that level access to change a page title or move it, so I ask for assistance. Or let me know what to do to change/move the page if I DO have the ability to do so. The composer is Claudio Monteverdi, and it is already listed on the Monteverdi page as well, linked I guess to here: the current page: [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Angelus_ad_pastores_ait_%28Angelus_ad_pastores_ait%29]. Thanks! Paul Marchesano [[User:Marchesa|Marchesa]] 16:11, 26 April 2011 (CDT)


== Works page template ==
: Hi Paul, it looks as if Richard Mix already fixed the problem.  You do have the ability (permission) to move a page to a new title (use the "move" tab), in case you ever need to in the future.  Thanks for the new Monteverdi "Angelus ad pastores ait". [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 08:02, 27 April 2011 (CDT)


Hi Chuck, I noticed you had been working on a [[User:CHGiffen/Works page template|Works page template]] some time ago. Since you use a Edition template inside it and may be thinking to work on it, I thought you should be aware that one such template was also being developed by me at the test instalation, as part of the whole solution involving the new Add Work form. You can see it in use [http://test.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Hallelujah_Chorus_%28from_Messiah%29_%28George_Frideric_Handel%29 in this works page].
== New user ==


The new Add Work system would involve the use of two integrated templates: the aforementioned [http://test.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Edition Edition] (to be used in works pages) and a [http://test.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Work Work template] (to be added to composer pages). They both make use of a very versatile template called [http://test.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Linker Linker]. They are all in experimental level, so feel free to suggest changes you find necessary.
Hi Chuck, you wrote: Welcome to CPDL and thanks very much for your Morley edition. It is much appreciated. I've taken the liberty of creating redirects from User:B.peterson to User:Burkard Peter and from User talk:Burkard Peter to this page, which is the way that most users with an Editor username different from their Login username have things set up. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or any of the Administrators. – Chucktalk Giffen♫ 08:21, 7 May 2011 (CDT)


The use of such a template as Edition would greatly improve our ability to automate the control of editions contributed by each editor, in order to replace the manual control currently done. We would also know exaclty how many '''editions''' we have at CPDL, instead of just the number of total works pages. The Linker template was already changed to also create a link to/from the file page (for local files), as discussed a few days ago in my talk page.
:Thank you for your message. Is it possible to change my login username also into Burkard Peter, so that no redirection is necessary? Another question: Why the scores I've contributed are only visible when I'm logged in? Thank you, [[User:B.peterson|bp]] 06:15, 10 May 2011 (CDT)


If we join efforts in this development we can perhaps come up with a satisfactory solution and finally implement the new Add Works system. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hi Chuck, I already replied to Peter in his talk page. I thought it was a good time to install extension RenameUser and test it. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 08:54, 10 May 2011 (CDT)


: Hi Carlos. I'm sorry it has taken a few days to get back to you on this important subject, but my online time has been limited.  The Works page template of mine that you mention was a very old attempt from a year and a half back, and it should be regarded as obsolete.  My real thoughts on how we should do things is based on my [[User:CHGiffen/Sandbox|Sandbox]] writings (still incomplete) and something like the [[User:CHGiffen/Data structures|Data structures]] ideas they point to.  I would be glad if we could jointly come up with the best solution to all our present problems.
::: Thanks Carlos! I've been embroiled with Finale playback issues while working on a large-scale work that has diverted my attention - frustrating, to say the leastOn the other hand, you've had an excuse to give the RenameUser extension a workout! [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 10:06, 10 May 2011 (CDT)
: You've pointed out one problem, namely just how many "editions" do we have ... but there's more than that:  how are these "editions" indexed, where is the core data located, and where does information (even partial information) appear?  There are additional questions relating to "sub-editions" (or "super-editions"?) ... eg. [[Vier Quartette, Op. 92 (Johannes Brahms)]], [[Requiem (Huub de Lange)]], etc. - in some cases there are separate CPDL numbers for individual movements, other times not, and other times both - not to mention that some also have separate pages for individual movements (as well as a complete edition page).  Some of this has to do with presentation, but most of it has to do with the way we '''structure''' the data for various editions.
: What we have is data and various actions that may be performed on the data to produce output in a consumable form.  Since the Wiki model allows it, it is far better to pass the actions to a data record (as I show how to do in my Data structures stuff) than to pass the pieces of data to the actions - if only for the simple reason that we do not have to duplicate fields of data for each action.  But an even bigger payoff is that we only have to (sensibly) collect (and "write down") the data once ... for a submitted edition, this can be done at the time of submission, through an appropriate "Submission form" (it's probably best to abandon the "Add works form" terminology in this construct)Then we only have to pass a template (action) to the edition data record to create a works page listing, and a different template (action) passed to the edition data record would generate the link info on a composer (or other) page.  Actually, each "work" would have its own data structure, and passing an appropriate template (action) to the work data record would generate most of what appears on a works page ... it is even possible for an action passed to an edition data record to access and process its parent (or some other) work data record via an invocation of that work data record with some other template (action).
:I'll fiddle with your ideas and mix them with mine.  Let me remark that I do have a few qualms about your Edition template, in that it does not account for (nor does it display) ''all'' the information about an edition - among other things, a record of edition data should include the title of the work.  Also, the whole concept of CPDL edition numbers needs to be reworked:  it's got gaping holes, should probably consiste of 5 or six digits (zero-padded if necessary), probably with optional decimal point and numbers (to account for subeditions).
: Okay, all this is getting too verbose here.  More to come! :-) -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 11:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


::Chuck, I totally agree with you that the use of data structures is the way to go if we aim to have complete flexibility and control over what is available at CPDL and how information is displayed. The new Add Work system was an effort in this direction, but if possible I'd also prefer a totally structured system, as I've stated once in the forums. If we decide to use this system, then I think that the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms extension Semantic Forms] is a tool we should seriously consider to adopt in order to put all this up and running. It basically uses structured templates as the ones you're experimenting with, but the wiki syntax and the templates are totally hidden during the inclusion/edit of items (works/composers/lyricists/etc.) making the edit process very simple for ordinary users. It would probably boost the number of active editors doing minor corrections and adding texts and translations, for instance. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 06:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
== When texts cannot be translated… ==


== Sorry for leaving a mess... ==
Hello Chuck,
thanks again for comments, feedback and suggestions on my translations.


with the [[Paul van Gulick]] page - I went out and thought I'd updated the page after moving the PDF file. Thanks for sorting it out. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 14:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm trying to answer all translation requests from IT or LA since I have a bit of time these days, but have found myself dumbfounded by some texts that, for lack of proper spelling, punctuations, etc., just don't mean anything. I have the advantage of graduate knowledge of IT and LA literature, at quite advanced levels, but simply can't make out what lyrics should be, or what they may have been intented to mean.


: Hi Rob.  No problem!! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a "please find the real text" flag on Wiki? If not, what would your advice be: leave the <nowiki>{{NoTranslation}}</nowiki> tag as it is, or remove it and place an explanation on the discussion page?
Any guidance/advice would be most welcome.


Hi Chuck, impressively quick work on editing the Afton Water page - yep, it's English, although the text is Scots in origin. I'd just uploaded my arrangements of Jock O'Hazeldean and Duncan Gray, which are both Scots, and got mixed up for a moment.[[User:Hutchingsmusic|Hutchingsmusic]] 20:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
Francesco aka [[User:Campelli|Campelli]] 16:28, 9 June 2011 (CDT)


== Work by Ariel Ramirez - copyright issue? ==
:Hi Francesco, now you made me curious! :) Could you please cite a few of these texts that you've found difficulty in extracting the meaning? Perhaps I could help you by searching for better sources. By the way, thanks for correcting errors and punctuation in so many Italian texts! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 22:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)


Hi Chuck, I've just noted that you created a category for works by Ariel Ramirez. This composer was born in 1921 and still alive, so it's unlikely that is works are in the public domain. Is this issue under control? --[[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 19:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hello, Carlos! Here are some examples: [[Lodar voi donn'ingrate (Jacques Arcadelt)]], [[Poss'io morir (Jacques Arcadelt)]], [[Io mi pensai (Jacques Arcadelt)]]. Other poems have the issue of ab-so-lu-te-ly no punctuation, but I'm looking for the texts within my employer's library (a university). For the Arcadelt, I haven't found source/authorship yet. Thanks for suggestions. Francesco ([[User:Campelli|Campelli]] 13:30, 10 June 2011 (CDT))


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== Spanish names ==
|by=[[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 19:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 
|text=Hi Max.  I was simply reacting to the creation of a composer page for Ariel Ramirez and the fact that there is already [[Alfonsina y el mar (Ariel Ramirez)|a work of his]] (in an arrangement by Adrian Cuello) listed there (with its own work page).
Charles
 
Spanish surnames often come in two sections. The first surname comes from the father and the second from the Mother. This is explained here http://spanish.about.com/cs/culture/a/surnames.htm.
 
So the primary surname for the composer Gabriel Garcia de Mendoza is "Garcia" not "Mendoza" which is effectively a "matronymic" and his name should in my view be sorted on "Garcia" in the same way as the composer "José de Torres y Martinez Bravo" has a primary surname of "Torres". The Novelist Gabriel José de la Concordia García Márquez is usually referred to as "García Márquez". See his entry on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Garc%C3%ADa_M%C3%A1rquez
 
Sometimes identifying the sort name is difficult as in "Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz". My view was that it was better to sort on Juana than on "Cruz". In any event I was not "monkeying about"!
 
[[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 03:08, 23 November 2011 (CST)
 
Hello Charles,
 
I noticed you posted a note regarding a possible error for my "Hyfrydol" descant.  You suggested that the f/d chord in the penultimate measure should possibly be g/e.  I confess I must be missing something; measure 31 doesn't contain an f/d chord.  The only place the descant splits is the last two measures.  Help me see what you're seeing!  Thanks, Thurlow [[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] 15:42, 14 January 2012 (CST)
 
== Cats ==
 
Nice work with categorising pages for Lent, Chuck. I'm sure a lot of church musicians will find your efforts very helpful :-) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:58, 25 January 2012 (CST)
 
: Thanks Rob.  This is something I've been meaning to do, now that Richard Mix has done such a great page of organizing the Sacred music by season categories.  And, with the new English translation of the Roman Missal, there has arisen a greater interest in settings of the Mass Propers, especially amongst Roman Catholics. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 08:55, 25 January 2012 (CST)
 
== Sweelinck move ==
 
Hi,
 
I notice links to [[Cantiones sacrae (Jan Pieters Sweelinck)]] are broken; I'd be happy to move it myself but thought you might figure out a way to catch others remaining, if any. All the best! [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 17:10, 5 February 2012 (CST)
 
: Thanks, Richard.  I forgot to move that page to [[Cantiones sacrae (Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck)]] (which is now done). &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 21:14, 5 February 2012 (CST)
 
== Voicing ==
 
Hi Chuck, thanks for helping add the Voicing template. I'm going to sleep now and will leave the script running until it ends. I'm aware that there'll be a few cases that will require fixing; I'll take care of these tomorrow, ok? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 01:13, 18 February 2012 (CST)
 
BTW, I'm planning to remove the unnecessary categories in a second step, you don't need to worry about them now. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 01:15, 18 February 2012 (CST)
 
: Hi Carlos, you're welcome!  I'm also adding Genre templates when I see that they are missing.  I'm also heading off to bed shortly.  Some day, I need a tutorial on DotNetWikiBot, because it must have a lot of useful applicagtions. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 01:17, 18 February 2012 (CST)
 
== Genre ==
 
Hi Chuck, the [[:Category:Good-bad]] is now being populated with all Sacred works still requiring a sort key, hope this helps with your work.
 
On a related subject, do you think that Requiems should also be included in the Masses category? I've seen both uses (<tt><nowiki>{{</nowiki>Genre|Sacred|Requiems}}</tt> and <tt><nowiki>{{</nowiki>Genre|Sacred|Masses|Requiems}}</tt>), but the former seems to be more abundant. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 23:58, 21 February 2012 (CST)
 
: Thanks, Carlos!  For Requiems, you're right that categorizing them both as Masses and Requiems is more prevalent.  And I guess there is some precedence for this, since a Requiem is indeed a Mass ("Requiem" is the first word of the Introit for such Mass).  Consequently, I've been adding Masses (or Requiems) whenever I encounter a Requiem which is missing one or the other of two categories.  I'm being careful to list Masses first and Requiems second in the Genre template, so that removal of Masses would be a simple matter if at some later stage we don't want both categories.  Right now, I'm working on the sort keys for Masses (and Requiems), but I'll be using the Good-Bad category later, once I'm finished with Masses and Requiems.  One side note, I see that the script that has installed the Genre template (as well as the one that installed the Voicing template) definitely get some of the categories messed up (for instance when the link <nowiki>[[Mass]]</nowiki> appears instead of <nowiki>[[Masses]]</nowiki> in the Genre line, or when something like <nowiki>[[:Category:SATB.SATB|SATB.SATB]]</nowiki> appeared in the old Voicing line).  It will take a while to sort all this out, I suppose.  For some of the changes that got messed up, one can find funny looking categories (such as "Mas" instead of "Masses", because of the anomaly mentioned above).  Anyway, it gives us something to do!! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:18, 22 February 2012 (CST)
 
::Oh yes, I refined the script as much as I could so as to cover 4-5 different situations, but a few ones got messed up indeed. I already listed all those that had "Category:" inside the template (~32) and corrected them. Most of the other cases are showing up as wrong categories in [[Special:WantedCategories]], and I've been correcting these one by one too, but this will take a bit longer.
::With respect to the Mass/Requiem approach, it's ok for me. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 01:03, 22 February 2012 (CST)
 
::: Yep, I've been looking at the WantedCategories, too (I do that from time to time, anyway), and when I get the present stuff done, I'll join you on that. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 01:06, 22 February 2012 (CST)
 
== Bach template ==
 
Hi Chuck,
 
Couldn't we use the naming convention '''Incipit, BWV n (JSB)''' rather than '''Cantata n nonmdash Incipit (JSB)''' for Bach and the other for everyone else? It might not be as much work as one would fear, since I notice several pages already do this: [[Erfreut euch, ihr Herzen, BWV 66 (Johann Sebastian Bach)]] and the not-yet-created but linked from [[Johann Sebastian Bach - list of cantatas]] [[Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir, BWV 131 (Johann Sebastian Bach)]], to which I wish to move two other pages. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 23:53, 8 March 2012 (CST) p.s. I now see why it was red; will update composer page [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 00:04, 9 March 2012 (CST)
 
== [[User:CHGiffen/CPDL organization]] ==
 
Hi Chuck. It would be quite nice to publish this document at some point soon. Do you plan on updating it in the near future? If not, would you object to me bringing it up to date? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 18:01, 19 March 2012 (CDT)
 
== Edward Tambling editions ==
 
Are you allowed to say why they are all being withdrawn, Chuck? A pity, since they are valuable additions to CPDL.
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 12:00, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
 
== transcluded Editions ==
 
Chuck, may I ask you to please stop creating and adding these "Edition" pages until this is discussed and agreed upon by the other admins? I fail to see the advantage of this; on the contrary I only see disadvantages the way it is now; how is the contributor supposed to change his/her own submission if when he/she edits the page they only see a cryptic "<nowiki>*{{:Edition:CPDL xxxxx}}</nowiki>" and nothing else? You know that I am also in favor of keeping data in a structured format, but there are better solutions using templates (these Edition pages should '''not''' be in the main namespace, BTW), and ultimately we should give Semantic Forms a try if we want to properly implement what you and I have in mind. Regards. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 21:17, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
 
:Hi Chuck, I'm sorry for the unnecessarily harsh tone of my message above. I've been trying to deal with my general tendency to react impulsively sometimes, but I don't always succeed, as you probably noticed... Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 15:55, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
 
:: Hey Carlos, no problems.  I understand where you're coming from.  I was giving a dry run to my ideas, mainly with pages for which editions have been marked as removed and went on to do the whole page.  I do think we need a separate "Edition:" namespace for this.  I'm still hesitant about Semantic Forms, though.  Anyway, we're good! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:12, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
 
== Surrexit pastor bonus ==
 
Chuck, I've just added a version of this, where the previous version has been witHdrawn at the request of Edward Tambling. I don't think I overwrote anything on the works page, but the withdrawal message seems to have disappeared!
 
I'll get back to you on the other matter you raised shortly.
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 13:24, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
 
: Hi James.  For some reason "wanted" appeared in the status field for the edition record, but it should have been "withdrawn" - and I've fixed that now.  I also un-commented out the Sheet music and Renaissancxe music categories on the "Et respicientes viderunt (Luca Marenzio)" page, so all is well now.  Thanks for the question and I'll hear from you soon. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
 
== CPDLno ==
 
Hi Chuck, the template above uses #ifexist, which is considered an "expensive parser function": when used above a limit it stops working and adds the page in [[:category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls]]. This is currently happening with a couple of large work pages:
*[[Matthäuspassion, BWV 244 (Johann Sebastian Bach)]]
*[[Messiah, HWV 56 (George Frideric Handel)]]
This problem affects other templates as well; {{CiteTemp|Composer}} is not working in these pages. If you don't mind I'll try to fix this by replacing #ifexist with another function; if it doesn't work, I'm afraid that we'll have to remove the #ifexist and let the links appear in red (we still can make them blue with ''font color''). Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 11:21, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
 
: Hi Carlos.  Thanks for the catch! I forgot about #ifexist being expensive.    It's probably best to go with the simplest solution and not worry needlessly about workarounds. Leaving red links is alright with me. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:08, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
 
== Re: Unintended(?) side-effects of Vcat ==
 
Hi Chuck, have you come to a conclusion about the best option? Shall we leave things as they are now? Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 23:29, 3 October 2012 (CDT)
 
==Adoramus Te, Christe (Lassus)==
Chuck, as I am about to do an edition of the 4-part version of this, I'll split the page into two before I load the new version.
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 10:34, 12 November 2012 (CST)
 
: James, that sounds good to me. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 11:13, 12 November 2012 (CST)
 
== Citecat ==
 
What is the difference between CiteCat and Cat?
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 20:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 
* Hi James. The template {{CiteTemp|Cat}} simultaneously categorizes a page in a category and provides a link to that category.  The template {{CiteTemp|CiteCat}} just provides a link to the category (without categorizing the page).  The various categories such as Advent I, Advent II, Good Friday, etc. are intended to be used for categorizing actual works, not text pages.  Hence, on the text pages, I've been changing the instances of "Cat" to "CiteCat".  Don't worry, though, because it's an easily fixed subtlety.  What you have been doing is fantastic!! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 20:28, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 
Right. Will endeavour to remember in future! (Every time I think I'm beginning to master things, I realise the greater extent of my ignorance! How like life!
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 20:34, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 
== Text categories ==
 
Hi Chuck, I notice your edition to [[:Category:Ave Maria‎]] and would like to suggest that we keep using the template {{tl|TextPageCat}} for these categories (new name of template TextSettingsCat), and create a new template similar to {{tl|CompCatLink}} to be added to the Text pages, with a wording in the line "''The list of works on this page is manually maintained. See <text category> for a possibly more up-to-date list of settings based on this text, sorted alphabetically by title.''" What do you think? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 18:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 
PS: On a second thought, your idea is not bad either, as it puts everything together in a single page; but in this case I think we should take a step further and really unify both pages: the text inside [[Ave Maria]], for instance, would be ''moved'' to the category and Ave Maria would become a redirect to it. I believe I can tweak the wiki code to allow for category moves. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 19:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 
* Hi Carlos.  Thanks for your messageWe need to do something, because I was a little stunned to see a not-yet-created "Ave Maria" category at the bottom of my "Ave Maria a 3" page, and then I realized that the LinkText template categorizes pages as well as pointing to a text page.  I'm still thinking this through, but I feel that probably the text category pages are the way to do, with other material (basically what is on the current text pages, with some modifications) transcluded to the corresponding category page (this would be more in keeping with Wikipedia styles of transcluding all or parts of other pages in a major article).  If we go with text categories, then perhaps the corresponding textual material should either be subpage or else reside outside the Main: namespace.  I'm still thinking about this, and I'm sure you are, too.  Let's keep each other informed as to our current thinking before going whole-hog into making sweeping changes.  Thanks for your message.  I hadn't even thought of CompCatLink and TextSettingsCat ... I was just making a knee-jerk reaction to seeing an uncreated category. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 02:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 
== If ye love me ==
 
Hi,
I noticed this is described as a communion antiphon for {{CiteCat|Easter 6}}; am I right in guessing this is a Sarum thing? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 07:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 
: Richard, I'm not sure if it was Sarum use, but it is given as the communion antiphon in the current 3rd edition of the Roman Missal.  I first encountered it in the Sacramentary and the St Joseph's Missal in the 80's. [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 19:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 
::Ah! Is it given as an official English equivalent to ''Spiritus Sanctus docebit'' then? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 02:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
::Never mind, I see it in ''Today's Missal'' too. Is there a Latin equivalent? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 02:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 
::: In the Divine Office for Saints Philip and James, Apostles, there are some antiphons, one of which is ''Si Diligitis Me'': “If you love Me, keep my commandments, alleluia, alleluia, alleluia” (Jn 14:15). [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 03:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 
== Search engine for CPDL ==
 
Is it possible to configure the search engine on CPDL so that a search on a given string of text retrieves instances of that string where a letter bears an accent. In other words, where the title of a work contains an accented letter as in "Válgame dios y que tres" should one always include an alias without the accent? [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] ([[User talk:Jonathang|talk]]) 11:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 
== 17,000 scores ==
 
Hi Chuck, the score count has just surpassed the 17,000 mark. Shall we add a "news" item on the main page? Max a.k.a. [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] ([[User talk:Choralia|talk]]) 08:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 
== Transpositions ==
 
Hi Chuck,
I can see that 'original pitch' might be confused with varying pitch standards. Mightn't 'original key signature' also lead to some confusion with 18c practice and dorian/lydian signatures?  "Original transposition", "originally notated pitch" might not be improvements either. "Original key" (even in a Webernian context!) at least has an unequivocal meaning to ''Lied'' singers and ought to work for modal music as well. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 
: Hi Richard.  Good point ... I shall not use "original key" instead of "original key signature" from here on out (and go back and remove the one word later.  I should have been thinking in modal music terms, for then I might have got it right from the outset.  Many thanks. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 02:25, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 
== Matías Juan de Veana ==
 
Charles
 
Matías is the correct first name of the composer in question. "Mathias" is the archaic Spanish spelling. Could you make the correction please? The link to Wikipedia will then work correctly. [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] ([[User talk:Jonathang|talk]]) 14:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
: Done!  Thank you. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:49, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 
== {{tl|NewWork}} ==
 
Hi Chuck, I noticed that you are also removing the {{tl|NewWork}} template after the 3-month period is gone. I've requested Claude not to remove it when the posting date is different from the submission date, so that we may eventually keep track of this difference. I hope you agree with this. Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
: Hi Carlos.  Oops, sorry, I didn't realize this.  I'll be sure and compare in the future (actually, I don't think it is absolutely necessary to remove the templates, since it "turns itself off" after 90 days anyway).  Best wishes! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:::It's not exactly true, Chuck: on each page opening, the template NewWork calls the template IsNew, calculates the difference between today's date and NewWork's template date, then decides not to show the red flag. And that, even a thousand years after the end of its usefulness!! [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 14:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 
== Finale versions ==
 
Hi Chuck, I don't think it was a good idea to remove version information from every Finale link! You could have added the Finale icon without removing this info. It's something that I particularly consider useful, and other users might think so, too. Please discuss with the other admins before performing mass replaces like this one. Thank you. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 13:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
: Sorry, Carlos. With the recent iconifying of the LilyPond files (and it not being brought up), it seemed the logical next step, and it does seem a little odd that apparently only Finale files carry a version date.  Although I used to feel differently about this (and I am a long time Finale user), I no longer feel that it is necessary to track version numbers (all the way back to something like 1998) of Finale scores, when they can be opened and viewed and edited by current versions of Finale. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
::I've got Finale 2009, after having bought Finale 2005. I can't open Finale 2012 files, for example to extract lyrics. Sibelius has also versions 6 and 7.[[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 15:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
:::I agree with Carlos and Claude, I think Finale versions are relevant information, since Finale files are not backward compatible.  I even think it would be (have been) a good idea to add version number to Lilypond files, since Lilypond syntax is also changing continuously, and a later version of Lilypond may give quite different results than the one the file was written for. [[User:Imruska|Imruska]] ([[User talk:Imruska|talk]]) 09:26, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 
== formatting of withdrawn editions pages ==
 
Hi Chuck,
 
I've been updating  some links to the Robert Parsons Project but am in doubt about how [[Ave Maria (Robert Parsons)]] is supposed to be edited: is the code really meant to stay on a different page [[Edition:CPDL 03801]]? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 
== Categories of categories ==
 
Hi Chuck,
 
We currently have three categories that serve the same purpose, but with quite different titles: {{CiteCat|Compositions by composer categories}}, {{CiteCat|Lyricist settings categories}} and {{CiteCat|Compositions by editor}}. I'd like to standardize these titles; what do you think of "Works by composer categories", "Works by lyricist categories" and "Works by editor categories"? Another option would be the much simpler "Composer categories", "Lyricist categories" and "Editor categories". Do you have any other suggestion? Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 03:19, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 
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Hi Carlos,
 
This sounds like a good idea to me.  I like your shorter category names better than the longer ones, but I also think that something like {{CiteCat|Composer works categories}}, {{CiteCat|Lyricist works categories}} and {{CiteCat|Editor works categories}} might be even better, since it retains the notion that subcategories list works according to the relevant Composer, Lyricist and Editor.
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:Great, Chuck! I like your suggestions, they are concise while still conveying the proper notion. I'll make the changes tomorrow, need to sleep now. Thanks, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 06:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 
== Main page ==
 
Hi Chuck,
 
I was just looking at the main page listing of seasonal music, which has Music for Advent, Christmas & Epiphany, Music for Lent and Holy Week & Music for Easter. What if there was a rotating display, with say Advent/Xmas for medium-range planning and then the coming Sunday? Ideally the calendar could be automated. THere should also be a simple link to {{CiteCat|Sacred music by season}}, I think. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 20:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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I've been thinking of something very much along the lines of what you suggest.  In fact, I'm already thinking about how to implement it, so I'll ramp up my efforts and see what I can come up with.  Thanks for bringing this up!
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Hope something is in the works! I haven't updated in a while. Carlos made a separate page [[]] btw. ChoralWiki:% pages aren't categorized (by design?) so there's a guessing element in finding out whether [[ChoralWiki:Music for Lent]], [[ChoralWiki:Music for Lent, Holy Week and Easter]], [[ChoralWiki:Music for Lent and Easter]], or (bingo)  [[ChoralWiki:Music for Lent and Holy Week]] are already created… [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 10:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:Carlos is interested too and suggested I start [[ChoralWiki talk:Seasonal music]]. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 04:10, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
== Alice V. Stuart ==
I'm currently having another trawl through the English text pages, and also adding Lyricist pages where they are missing. One I've just added is the above, about whom I have found very little, apart from birth and death years. It turns out that there are 7 settings of her verse by Huub de Lange but, as she didn't die until 1983, they are almost certainly under copyright in the EU until 2033, and possibly still under copyright elsewhere. Question: how do I (or we) deal with this?<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 19:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
: Thanks for noticing this, James.  The scores of all these works (there are actually only five) say "Copyright text (c) 1953 A.V. Stuart, Scotland."  It is 61 years since they were copyright; however, if the EU provision is in effect, that works are copyright for 70 years after the author's/composer's death, then we may have a problem, because then her works would be copyright until 2053.  I've posted a note with the copyright issues group at the forums. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 22:26, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Chuck. Seemed sensible to pass it through you, since I don't always know the best destination for such issues. I think there are 6 settings; I had mistakenly counted "4 Stuart songs" as a separate item, but there are also "A Christmas Fable" and "In a green arbour".<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 17:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
: You're right, there are six (not seven or five) settings; I had miscounted, too! More discussion at the Copyright Concerns section of Administrative Discussions over at the Forum. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 19:24, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
== Need a new Meter category ==
Hi Huck!  Would you be able to create a new meter category?  "44. 6. D (with refrain)" needs created for a tune I recently composed (CPDL #34301).
Thanks! [[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] ([[User talk:Tweedfour|talk]]) 16:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
: Actually, I assigned the meter 86. 86 (C.M.) with refrain to the tune, since that is what both the poetic text and the musical structure of the tune dictate.  I hope this is okay with you. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 21:19, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
:: I hadn't though of that, but it's probably easier.  "Songs for the Cycle" includes the meter, and "44 6 D with refrain" is how it's listed, along with Coventry Carol as the suggested tune.[[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] ([[User talk:Tweedfour|talk]]) 21:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
== Help with a dissertation ==
Hi Chuck. [[user talk:Bauchspi|Cindy Bauchspies]] is interested in [[User_talk:Bobnotts#Writing_a_dissertation_focusing_on_CPDL|writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL]], and I suggested her to contact you, since Bob is not having much time lately to dedicate to the project. I'll be glad to help by answering her questions, if you happen to be busy at the moment. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 15:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
: Hi Carlos.  I just received a (forwarded?) email from Cindy Bauchspies, and I should be able to answer her questions and offer help. Thanks! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
== NewWork/PostedDate ==
Hi, Chuck. Thanks for having changed the obsolete template for the new one. Any way, in [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Be_with_me,_Lord_%28William_D._Thompson%29&diff=prev&oldid=521185 this edit], you restored the old one and switched dates so that edition appears now as created after its publication. How is this possible?
BTW, what do we do with these long strings as <nowiki>[[Category:Posting dated]][[Category:2014-06-11]]{{#ifexpr:{{#time:Ymd|20140611+30days}}<{{#time:Ymd}}|[[Category:Posted over 30 days ago]]}}{{#ifexpr:{{#time:Ymd|20140611+90days}}<{{#time:Ymd}}|[[Category:Posted over 90 days ago]]}}</nowiki>.
Are they still useful? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 08:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
: Hi Claude. I've no idea at all how that happened, because at the time I was using ReplaceText to make changes from NewWork to PostedDate.  That particular case is unusual in that, while it was originally posted on 2011-12-28, the NewWork template had been applied with the date 2011-08-16 (the original date of submission), which you corrected earlier in the day yesterday.  I can only guess that, since I ran a ReplaceText on the same day, it must have accessed a cached version from before your edit&mdash;strange behavior, to say the least!! Anyway, I've rolled back the wrong edits so that it is correct now.  Thanks for picking that up. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:43, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
== Shape notes ==
Hi Chuck,
Barry Johnston and I started [[User talk:Bcjohnston523#Joy to the World|a discussion]] about the categorization of shape-note editions; since you've dealt with this subject in the past, you're welcome to join the discussion. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 03:09, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
:Hey Chuck, do you have any strong reason to make these cosmetic changes like [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bien_podéis_corazón_mío_(Manuel_Machado)&diff=next&oldid=529663 this one]? I particularly prefer it the way it was before, because when we mix the text with the closing curly brackets on a single line, chances are higher of someone making mistakes when moving text around or deleting duplicate lines of text at the end.
:PS: I'll be making the suggested changes to the Shape notes categories in the next few days. I suppose you're not against it, since you haven't commented on the ongoing discussion yet, but there's still time. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 23:42, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
== Solo voice categories ==
Hi Chuck,
I tried moving [[:Category:Solo Countertenor]] to [[:Category:Solo countertenor]] as an experiment, and as I expected the works are left on the redirect page. Is there a way to automate moving the works in [[:Category:Solo vocal music]] to a consistent capitalization? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 00:19, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
: Hi Richard.  Moving a Category page doesn't recategorize the pages.  One has to go in separately and change the category assignments.  But the good thing is that most of this can be done by invoking [[Special:ReplaceText]].  As background, when those solo voicing categories were originally set up, we used capital letters for actual standard voice names (Soprano, Alto, etc.) as opposed to lower case for broader rangers (high, medium, low), mostly because of the capitalization of (Soprano, Alto, etc.) elsewhere in voicing categories, and especially so for multiple solos (Solo SS, etc.).  I'm not averse to making the change you seem to be suggesting (or perhaps change from "Solo Soprano" to "Soprano solo" etc., which actually "feels" and "looks" better to me).  However, whatever changes we might decide to make with these categorizations would have to be mirrored in the AddWorks forms (else we would continually have to update the categorizations). &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 04:44, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
::Form:Add work, Add music, Addworks whatever else I've missed are certainly a [[Form talk:Add work|confusing mess!]] The naming convention of [[:Category:Choral solo music]]  would be consistent with "Soprano solo" which I agree is more elegant. I'll wait and post something to [[Category talk:Voicing]] before using ReplaceText: shall we continue there? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 04:26, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
:::Hi Richard. Noticing your discussion with Chuck, I decided to put into practice an idea that I had been considering for some time. You can see it in action [[template:Solo|here]]. It's just a workaround that can potentially avoid having to rename all solo categories, simultaneously making the text displayed on works pages look more natural (as examples, {{CC|Solo ST}} is displayed as {{CC|Solo ST|Soprano-Tenor duo}}, and {{CC|Solo SATB}} as {{CC|Solo SATB|SATB quartet}}). But, just like Chuck, I wouldn't oppose to renaming the categories themselves; we just need to thing of all dependencies before undertaking such a move. (e.g., the Multi-category Search also depends on these cats and is probably no longer working for Solo Countertenor!) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 05:45, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::::Hi Carlos, as I try to explain at [[:Category talk:Voicing]] it's not reading the display that's an issue as much as remembering what to type. Or do I misunderstand what Template:Solo does? Btw, Countertenor is back. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 06:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
== Underlay text removed ==
Chuck, I think it is not a good option to remove the transcription of the score underlay text as you did recently. I noticed that the contributions on that pages are no editions, but just links to scores grabbed from IMSLP. If you want to remove such "editions" or the whole pages, please proceed. But please remember that the usefulness of the text on a work page is to retrieve a work from a part of its text, especially when you aren't sure of its exact title on CPDL. When removing text (or text link), you restored the sentence: "Text and translations need to be added". If you removed the text, I'm sure you don't want someone to restore it! What I've in mind: 'NoText' should be reserved to "No text on the score" so that "No text will be found on the score", which is important regarding a choral work! The present 'NoText' template means "No (existing) underlay text has yet been added" and "Please, do it yourself". Another bad named template ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 09:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Claude.  I restored the text you refer to.  It got deleted by accident.  Sorry. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
== Main page ==
Hello Chuck, hope everything is fine with you!
Regarding the new info added to the Main page, is it temporary, or intended to stay? I'm afraid that it may affect page loading times, because it depends on an ever changing data that cannot be cached properly by the server. Maybe it's worth making some loading tests to be sure. Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] [[File:Email.gif|link=Special:EmailUser/Carlos]] 14:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
: Hi Carlos.  It didn't occur to me that getting the current time might increase load times for the Main Page.  Perhaps this shouldn't be done on the Main Page, since it already uses a number of templates with DPL calls? &nbsp; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 14:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
::That's a good question! DPL can be cache-friendly when parameter {{para|allowcachedresults|true}} is used, but I'm not sure if all the Main Page queries have it set. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] [[File:Email.gif|link=Special:EmailUser/Carlos]] 20:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
== Voicing Distinction ==
Forgive me if this is already in another post, but is there was a way of making a distinction on the category page results of which pieces have what voicing?
Ex. Advent II results show:
''Deus convertens (Wolfgang Joseph Emmerig)
Deus tu convertens (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina)
Deus tu convertens (Henry Thomas Smart)
Deus tu convertens, K149 (Johann Joseph Fux)''
but I have to open every link in order to see what the voicing is and whether or not it will fit the schola size that I have on any given Sunday.


{{reply|color=b|by=[[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 21:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)|text=What about contacting Adrian Cuello for clarifications?}}


== Bach Cantatas ==
So, could it instead show something like:


Ok...you are the manager, but I don't see why you do that with 1 cantata and not with all of them...you are not following the same criterion. This cantata has only 2 numbers in CPDL, like many others.....If I am volunteering with the page I'd like to know what criteria to follow because now I don't know what to do. I try to order things, but then you order again undoing things...It is also unpleasant that if I am volunteering maintaining the page my choices are not respected and you change things without telling me about...as you know I had a discussion because of this with one user...so far it seems that everybody move things as they please...Bach page is a complete mess and ordering things takes a lot of time and work...then I ask, what is the volunteering program for if things are kept as if there is no one maintaining the page? Perhaps I just should step out the program and leave things on your and Mr. Mix hands.---About Ariel Ramirez works...He is Argentinian and alive. I live in Argentina and worked with him....all of his work is copyrighted.-[[User:Saniakob|Saniakob]] 20:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
''Deus convertens (Wolfgang Joseph Emmerig) : '''SATB''' or '''4-voices'''''


:Dear Saniacob,<br> No disrespect was meant, but this is a collaborative undertaking and JSB surely benefits from having more than one person allowed to work on him, even if one is assuming the main initiative.  That requires a clear explanation of your choices and a willingness to discuss changes from the way other people have contributed.   
''Deus tu convertens (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina) : '''ATTBB or SAATB'''''
:Chuck, thanks for weighing in!  I look forward to working constructively with both of you in the future. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 21:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


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''Deus tu convertens (Henry Thomas Smart) : '''SATB'''''
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''Deus tu convertens, K149 (Johann Joseph Fux) : '''SATB'''''
Hi Santiago.  First, let me thank you for adopting the Bach page. Like many things at CPDL, there are a ''lot'' of "projects" that need work, including the fixing of the Bach cantata mess. This is something I started working on quite some time ago (but never could finish because of other matters), so I waded in and fixed BWV 7, but you are right: there are many other cantatas that also need fixing. I'll work on them when I have time.  What I hoped to accomplish by doing BWV 7 was to illustrate (by example, which is the way that a lot of things are done here) what is needed.  I truly do appreciate you taking on the Bach page, and you have done wonders with it already. Hopefully by making each cantata (represented at {{CW}}) have its own page (with all relevant movements merged to its page), we will be able to achieve an even better appearance, not only of the Bach page, but also of the (currently haphazard) way of locating cantatas (and movements thereof). Please accept my apologies if I have offended you - that was not my intention at all. You have already become a valuable asset to CPDL through your generous and time consuming work!
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This way I know that, if I only have 3 singers for that Sunday, I probably won't need to waste my time clicking through every link to see if any of it has 3-part voicing, whatever that voicing may be. Especially for the Sundays/Feast Days with more popular propers where I open 12 pages and maybe manage to find 1 or 2 pieces that are even logistically doable.
 
--[[User:CCooze10|CCooze10]] ([[User talk:CCooze10|talk]]) 22:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)CCooze10
 
: By themselves, categories (such as Advent or Advent III) cannot include the voicing or number of voices of works they contain.  However, using {{CiteCW|Multi-Category Search}} you can do much of the work yourself.  Simply choose "Sacred" for the Genre, then choose your desired Liturgical Season, say "Advent", and select the number of voices, say "3 voices".  When you then click on the "List Works" button, you will be shown all the works at {{CW}} fulfilling the criteria you have selected.  With the sample choices I made ("Sacred" "Advent" "3 voices"), today I got 13 works.  I hope this helps, and thanks for your inquiry. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 05:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 
::<nowiki><kibutz></nowiki> There are some tools that might do that, but I understand they're heavy on computing resources. If you start from [[:Category:Advent II]] you'll notice a blue link in the propers table for the text page [[Deus tu convertens]], which is a hand-annotated list. Extra sharp eyes and updaters are always welcome! <nowiki></kibutz></nowiki> [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 06:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 
== Propers ==
 
Is updating Mass Propers pages something done by you who run this site, or is it supposed to happen automatically?
For example: I uploaded Heinrich Isaac's Alleluia 2 and Communio for The Ascension (tagging them as such), but it doesn't come up when you click on "Psallite Domino" on the {{CiteCat|Ascension}} page, nor does it show that there are any (clickable) entries for "Dominus in Sina."  I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or if that's something that happens on your end..? Thanks.
--[[User:CCooze10|CCooze10]] ([[User talk:CCooze10|talk]]) 05:02, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:Hi Corinne,   If I understand you, there was a delay in the appearance on the text page [[Psallite Domino]] of the message "Other settings possibly not included to the manual list above Heinrich Isaac — Psallite Domino"? Adding it to the annotated list is done by hand and volunteer help is very welcome!
:There don't seem to be any "Dominus in Sina" pages yet; for ''[[Viri Galilaei]]'' there is a text page that is not yet linked to the propers table; you can just add brackets. But that page itself can use a little cleanup and a decision about whether the antiphon or the introit (with or without verse(s) is primary, if indeed that is the source of the variations.
:Btw, I'm changing this page's {{Cat|Ascension template to {{CiteCat, abreviat-able to {{CC|. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:: Ah, I see. That all makes more sense now. I'll try to do update those things accordingly. I appreciate it. (I'm not sure I'm "responding" to this thread correctly. Apologies. --[[User:CCooze10|CCooze10]] ([[User talk:CCooze10|talk]]) 02:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 
== Editions by Contributor Abel Di Marco ==
 
I believe that Abel Di Marco has perhaps lost his domain at which he was hosting the music files posted on CPDL. I have no idea how something like that should be handled, but I just wanted to make it known that his links are no longer leading to music.--[[User:CCooze10|CCooze10]] ([[User talk:CCooze10|talk]]) 18:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you, Corinne, for letting us know. I changed the path to the old websites into archived ones for 'cantoral' and 'cantoral gregoriano'. Please check if it works. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 10:49, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 
== Ciro Grassi ==
 
Chuck, owing to my inability to add up, I've realised that the Ciro Grassi works I've been adding are still in EU copyright. So I've added a copyright warning, which I found on the Edward Bairstow page. However, I also noticed that, since Bairstow died on 1st May 1946, his works are now out of copyright (just) in the EU. I've left the notice intact, since there may be places with a copyright period greater than 70 years, but if not, perhaps it should be removed.
 
I've left the Grassi works there for the moment, after adding copyright warnings, but if you think they should be removed, let me know.
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 12:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 
== Psalms ==
 
Chuck
 
Might I suggest a new category for "psalms"? Many psalms are used as the basis for hymns, but others have a quite distinctive style. They are not motets either. Examples of composers who used the psalm format include William Lawes, Francisco Valls and John Callcott.
 
Many thanks
 
[[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] ([[User talk:Jonathang|talk]]) 09:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== Template:bach ==
 
Hi Chuck,
 
Now that Pandolfo is creating pages for all cantatas, Could a new Template:bach (Template:JSB?) be created to add
<poem>
<nowiki>
*[http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~wfb/cantatas/31.html Complete libretto at U. Alberta]
*{{IMSLP2|Der Himmel lacht! die Erde jubilieret, BWV 31 (Bach, Johann Sebastian)}}
*{{WikipediaLink|Der Himmel lacht! Die Erde jubilieret, BWV 31}}
*[http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV31.htm Der Himmel lacht! Die Erde jubilieret] at the Bach Cantatas website
</nowiki></poem>
 
…to the external links section?
I'm also getting ready to replace [[Johann Sebastian Bach - list of cantatas]] with a [[User:Richard Mix/JSB (Johann Sebastian Bach)|sortable list]]. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 
== Separate Psalms are mixed up ==
 
On 19 June 2013 I created entry #29428 Psalm 1, with the tune "Weedon Bec" for a text by Isaac Watts. The PDF & MP3 files were uploaded and are still accessible in the archive. Today I uploaded another setting of Psalm, with a different tune, different text, all different data, but something went haywire after I placed the Composer Entry onto the page. When I then went to click on "Psalm 1" to paste in the "Works Entry" I saw my 2013 file was there already.
 
I added the new works info (CPDL #42618) and then deleted the info that was showing up for the #29428 entry. Now I have two listings for Psalm 1 in different locations showing the 42618 info.
 
Under my "Shape Notes" section should be Psalm 1 #29428, and under the "Christopher L Webber" section should be Psalm 1 #42618. How can I fix this to have the correct listings show up? It's further complicated by the fact than when I studied my upload history from 19 June 2013 it seems the incorrect PDF & MP3 files got associated with #29428 (Psalm 81 Wellington). How do I fix this? I need to recreate #29428 (with corrected PDF & MP3 links) in the Shape Notes section, and keep #42618 limited to Chris Webber's section HELP!!!
 
#29428 info:
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/File:Weed_-_Psalm_1.Weedon_Bec.pdf
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/File:Weed_-_Psalm_1.Weedon_Bec.mp3
18:57, 19 June 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+643)‎ . . N Psalm 1 (Thurlow Weed) ‎ (Created page with "==Music files== {{Legend}} *{{PostedDate|2017-01-11}} {{CPDLno|29428}} [{{filepath:Weed_-_Psalm_81_NV._Wellingborough.pdf}} {{pdf}}] [{{filepath:Weed_-_Psalm_81_NV._Wellingborough.m...")
[[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] ([[User talk:Tweedfour|talk]]) 22:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, Mr Weed. I thank you for your contributions to CPDL. I understand what happened: having the same name, the second version borrowed the first one. I reverted your recent changes, restoring the first version under [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Psalm_1_(Thurlow_Weed) Psalm_1_(Thurlow_Weed)] and created a new page with the recent infos: [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Psalm_1_(b)_(Thurlow_Weed) Psalm_1_(b)_(Thurlow_Weed)]. You'd have to rename both page titles as you want. If you cannot, just let us know which should be the complete titles. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 09:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 
== PDF not showing ==
 
Hi Chuck, For some reason the PDF for CPDL ID #33824 (Life presents the puzzles) won't display.  I tried uploading a revision, but that didn't seem to take.  The PDF refuses to display.  Any idea why? Thanks. [[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] ([[User talk:Tweedfour|talk]]) 15:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
:Hi, just one minute ago it opened instantly, (from [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Life_presents_the_puzzles_(Thurlow_Weed) this page]. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 15:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
::How odd!  When I go to that page and click on the pdf icon, I get a blank online pdf screen with a message across the top saying "This PDF document might not be displayed correctly" along with a button offering to open in a different viewer.  Clicking the button offers the option to save or open with Adobe Acrobat.  When selecting to open, I get an error message in Acrobat stating "There was an error opening this document.  The file is damaged and could not be repaired." 
 
::So it would seem that for some reason my PC is having an puzzling issue, if you're able to open with no problem.  Very strange.  No other PDF on my CPDL page (so far) has this issue.[[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] ([[User talk:Tweedfour|talk]]) 18:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:::Hi Thurlow and Claude.  I just got these messages (was away this morning), and I have had no problem at all opening the PDF score.  Clicking on the PDF icon opened it immediately, so the problem is a mystery to me, but I suspect something is wrong at Thurlow's end.  [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 21:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 
== [[Jubilate Deo omnis terra (Josquin des Prez)]] ==
 
Hi Chuck,
 
If it's not much trouble, could I request an MXL file for [[Jubilate Deo omnis terra (Josquin des Prez)]]? I'm considering performing it up a minor third with my mixed choir. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:08, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 
: No problem at all Richard. I'll do it right away. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 01:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 
== Requesting deletion of a broken works page that was accidentally created. ==
 
Today (2019.02.09) I added my new song to CPDL: "Movin' left (Peter Bird)".
Unfortunately, due to some error in this process (probably mine), there was also an extra, unwanted
page created at about the same time: "Mivin' left (GEORGE)".
I would appreciate it if some administrator could simply delete this extra, broken page.
Thanks!
[[User:Pbird|Pbird]] ([[User talk:Pbird|talk]]) 00:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
:No problem. Done!! And thanks for your new song. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:49, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 
Sorry, but I have a new bug-fix to request; it is probably related to yesterday's problem
concerning "Movin' left (Peter Bird)", but this time it concerns a different song.
Today I uploaded ANOTHER new work, using the "Upload Now" buttons included
within the "Add Works" form pageFor the most part, this worked correctly.
However, the new Works page that was created is labelled "One track(GEORGE)",
whereas it should be labelled "One track (Peter Bird)".
I have fixed the source code "{Composer|GEORGE}" to read "{Composer|Peter Bird}"
and this is half of the solution, because now "One track (GEORGE)" appears on
my (Peter Bird) composer page, as it should.
However, I cannot figure out how to change the file-name (or other top-level name).
Some background: "George" is actually my legal first name, appearing on my credit card.
I don't use it in either music or science, however.
I think these difficulties date from the time I signed up as a subscriber, and used
my credit card (GEORGE PETER BIRD) to make payments.  However, you can probably
see that "George" does not appear anywhere on my Preferences page.
Thus, I think the bug occurred during the set-up of my account at CPDL.
If it is convenient to just delete that account, I won't mind; I can always
try again to create another one.  (Of course, I would NOT want you to delete
any of my Works, previously contributed.)
Best wishes,
Peter Bird
[[User:Pbird|Pbird]] ([[User talk:Pbird|talk]]) 19:22, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
: Hi again, Peter. It's just a matter of doing a page "Move" which you could have done yourself, but I went ahead and did it anyway. At the top of the works page with (GEORGE) as the composer, click on the "More" button to open a drop-down menu with some choices ... the second one is "Move" ... click that, and change the name of the page to what it should be. I also unselected the "leave a redirect" choice, since the old page is irrelevant and with this choice it will be deleted along with the move operation (which essentially amounts to a renaming of the page)By the way, looking at the photo of you on your composer page made me wonder if I've seen you before or even if we might have met, although I have no recollection of such.  The fact that you became a geophysicist yet pursued music on the side is not unlike my own experience, except I was an algebraic/geometric topologist. If you have any questions or need any other help, just let me know! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 21:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 
Thank you so much for your help, instruction, and encouragement!
Actually, it seems unlikely that we have met, since I spent my whole career at UCLA while you are(?) in Virginia, and we're in different fields.
But I appreciate your point that we have had similar careers, and both became seriously involved with choral music ~2005.
It is a bit of a cliche that mathematicians and scientists are drawn to classical music.
In my own case, I don't think of it in terms of any transfer of relevant skills (although that is conceivable);
I just feel that my "right brain" (i.e., emotional/illogical/creative) side had been suppressed and ignored
for so long that it needed a chance to break out and play, in a field where you do not have to prove anything;
you just have to feel strongly that it is right, and possibly valuable to others if shared.
Peter Bird
[[User:Pbird|Pbird]] ([[User talk:Pbird|talk]]) 06:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 
==Requesting cleanup of composer page for John Sheppard==
This page has become a bit of a mess. The various works listed really could do with sorting into their proper categories. I would do it myself, but it seems that a lot of the links are sorted automatically using hidden category pages and I have no idea how these work. The list should look like this:
 
MASSES:
Mass "Cantate";
Credo from Plainsong Mass for a Mean.
 
RESPONSORIES
Christi virgo dilectissima;
Filiae Hierusalem;
Gaude, gaude, gaude Maria;
Hodie nobis coelorum;
In manus tuas (I);
In manus tuas (II);
In manus tuas (III);
In pace;
Justi in perpetuum;
Laudem dicite;
Non conturbetur (I);
Non conturbetur (II);
Reges Tharsis;
Verbum caro.
 
HYMNS
Beata nobis gaudia;
Christe redemptor omnium;
Deus tuorum militum (II) (the uploaded setting is actually the second of two);
Jesu salvator saeculi verbum Patris;
Martyr Dei qui unicum;
Sacris solemniis;
Salvator mundi, Domine;
Sancte Dei pretiose.
 
ANTIPHONS
Gaude virgo;
Libera nos (I);
Libera nos (II);
Media vita.
 
MOTET: Inclina Domine (I).
 
MAGNIFICAT
Esurientes.
 
ENGLISH WORKS
Christ our paschal lamb;
Christ rising again;
I give you a new commandment;
The Lord's Prayer;
The man is blest;
Rejoice in the Lord;
Submit yourselves.
 
Best wishes
Jason Smart[[User:Jason Smart|Jason Smart]] ([[User talk:Jason Smart|talk]]) 01:15, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
: Done! However, all works formerly categorized as Hymns have been recategorized as Office hymns, so if some distinction should be made it will be necessary to alter things a bit. Looking at the code on the page should illustrate what I did. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 04:20, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 
Very many thanks, Chuck! And thanks also for for re-categorizing the office hymns. Good idea!
Best wishes
Jason
[[User:Jason Smart|Jason Smart]] ([[User talk:Jason Smart|talk]]) 10:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
: No problem, Jason! Thanks for your suggestion and for all the contributions you have been making, too! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 20:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 
== Insulting behaviour ==
Chuck, I've just seen a totally inappropriate comment made to Claude by Christopher Shaw. (See Claude's page under the heading ''inappropriate tinkering''). I do not think that such behaviour should be tolerated, especially when addressed to someone as valuable to CPDL as Claude. My own view is that an immediate apology should be demanded and, if not given, Christopher Shaw should be banned from the site forthwith.
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 16:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
: Hi James. Thanks for the heads up. I've posted a reply to this situtuation on Shaw's talk page, requesting an apology. And I've also pointed out to him that he could simply have put the Template:InUse at the top of any page for which he has a series of ongoing edits. Let's see what his response is. Many thanks again. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


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== Ave Maria (Robert Parsons) ==
I stepped out. I am no longer volunteering. Offer the position of volunteering with Bach Page to Mr. Mix who thinks he can do a much better job than me...I wish he would have made something when no one was maintaining the page for years and not just now when someone else started doing the job. I worked for 10 years as manager and copyist of a music repository at a university and I thought I knew some stuff of the trade...but I guess I was wrong. Besides, you modified things in the page (adding the templates for the cantatas) and you didn't told me anything about my way of organizing things...just now when I have this discussion you tell me about CPDL rules and make me look like a fool when I try to defend my point of view with Mr. Mix. Finally, If I did not read wrong, the Adopt a composer program states clearly that there is 1 volunteer per page...so "collaborative work" as Mr. Mix call it doesn't apply for some things...like changing things at will... I understand collavorative work is teaching people how to make a submission to CPDL correctly (which I did) because the information given by the site is confusing....or translating pages to other languages to make CPDL more accessible to everyone (which I also did)... I know perfectly what collavorative work is. I am a professional with enough experience in my field and I won't work under this conditions. Perhaps I misunderstood what CPDL was about...if that's the case then I am to blame. Thank you. [[User:Saniakob|Saniakob]] 02:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


== Template LastName ==
Hi Chuck


Hi Chuck, after seeing one more user wrongly editing this template, I decided to follow your advice and renamed it to NameSorter, ok! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 14:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again, but could someone please help me out? While uploading an edition of the above work my computer perpetrated a glitch that I did not spot until it was too late. As a result the work was uploaded to a new page with an inappropriate name instead of the composer's existing one. I couldn't find any instructions about how to move the work to the correct page, so I renamed the page to 'R Parsons', but obviously the mess still needs sorting out properly.


== Rossi: Rorate caeli ==
Best wishes


Thank you for your reply! --[[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 23:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Jason [[User:Jason Smart|Jason Smart]] ([[User talk:Jason Smart|talk]]) 15:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
:Hi, Jason,
:I've merged your edition on top of [[Ave Maria (Robert Parsons)]].
:If a work is already present on CPDL, just click on 'Add new edition' in the upper right part of its page ;-)
:[[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:04, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks indeed, Chuck. Yes, I did actually use the 'Add new edition' link, but my computer decided to overwrite some of the fields with some auto-complete complete entries. I thought I'd taken care to avoid this, but evidently not!
Best wishes
[[User:Jason Smart|Jason Smart]] ([[User talk:Jason Smart|talk]]) 16:15, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


== What you did is not fair ==
== Blank lines ==


It is no fair that you put things back in the Back's page...it was not your time and effort invested...And I decided this contribution I did should not be published. Respect my decision. - [[User:Saniakob|Saniakob]] 01:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Chuck, I noticed that you've been removing blank lines from composer pages, as in [https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Uomobono_Morsolino&type=revision&diff=1045074&oldid=1033840 here]. Depending on the web browser you use, you may be seeing something different in the displayed text, but for me it looks as if nothing has changed in the page layout after the removal of those lines. Am I missing something? Regards,  —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 03:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


== Monteverdi: Pascha concelebranda (={{NoComp|Altri canti di Marte|Claudio Monteverdi}}) ==
== Editing Categories ==
Hi, Chuck,
Could you please do me a small favour? On my composer page my descant for "O worship the Lord" is listed under the heading "Compositions" while my descant for "Abide with me" is listed under "Arrangements". I think the proper place for both of them is under the latter category, but I can't work out how to do the necessary edit as the lists appear to be generated automatically. Could you help, please?
Best wishes
Jason
[[User:Jason Smart|Jason Smart]] ([[User talk:Jason Smart|talk]]) 22:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
:Hi Jason.  I changed "Composer" to "Arranger" on the "O worship the Lord" page and refreshed your composer page, and all seems to be good now.  All the best! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 02:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi Chuck, I've produced my next disaster: both on the composer page, as well as on the work page I wanted to write as in the headline of this message - but I failed. Result: 1 wrong button on the composer page and 2 wrong work pages. Now I dare not to change anything. Sorry --[[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 15:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Chuck. So that's how it's done! Very many thanks!
[[User:Jason Smart|Jason Smart]] ([[User talk:Jason Smart|talk]]) 03:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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Romanization of non-English scripts

Chuck, I noticed that you created Category:山本 健司 compositions, and I'm concerned that this creates a precedence for page titles in other non Latin scripts as well, as Greek, Arab, Russian etc. Although CPDL is making an effort towards internationalization, I think we should discuss this better before giving such a big step. For the moment I'd suggest that the composer be contacted to allow for his pages to use w:Romaji transliteration instead of w:Hiragana (although we should keep redirects in the latter script). —Carlos Email.gif 17:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Carlos. I agree with you, and it does indeed need discussion. I only made the compositions category to keep the indexing current. I think that such pages (including the composer and works pages) should appear transliterated. I'm in a hurry now. Hopefully, this will get some discussion so we can know how to proceed. Thanks! – Chucktalk Giffen 20:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Lyricists

Hi Chuck, the lyricist names were written in a couple of different ways; after correcting them in the works pages, a few duplicate categories could be deleted. —Carlos Email.gif 00:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Carlos, I'm aware of duplications in lyricist names due to middle names, initials, etc. ... but I thought I'd create all the relevant categories first, which makes it easier to scan the resulting list and find those which should be combined. You'll note I also created edition categories for the CPDL editors ... this should make it possible to keep better track of an editor's editions. – Chucktalk Giffen 00:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
You're right, creating the categories made it easy to spot the duplicates. I'm keeping the form used in Wikipedia as the standand whenever possible. —Carlos Email.gif 00:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that we should generally try to follow the Wikipedia form. I do know that Henry W. Longfellow will have to be changed to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (I hope Wikipedia has it that way!), because every U.S. American knows him by his full name!! – Chucktalk Giffen 00:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Re; An editor's editions...

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for your message - I've added one of your links to my user page, and the resulting layout of my scores looks much neater! Thanks for this.

Best wishes,
Edward Tambling 13:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Metre (ok meter) for hymns

I've been discussing with Robert Nottingham the best way to add hymns and have been following the scheme he suggested, especially as regards meter. However, when I've done this for some (see Draw nigh and take the body of the Lord (Sullivan)) it comes up red, which presumably means the category does not exist. (We are stepping over the boundaries of my competence here!) Is there a simple way to correct this, or is it better for me to leave it to the editors to sort out? Robert says that you are the expert here, Chuck! --Jamesgibb 14:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

View counters

Hi Chuck, Just a curious note. I noticed the view counters at the bottom of the pages seem to have disappeared. Is that a policy revision that has gone into effect? Just wondering. Cheers, Paul Marchesa 15:44, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Paul. I think we discovered that, when we went to a distributed structure with one Contributor and two Visitor sites, the counters became somewhat meaningless, because most views are on the Visitor sites, and they are daily updated with the previous day's Contributor site count. We are working on a different type of counter for downloads. Best, – Chucktalk Giffen 17:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Message from Angelina Figus

Hallo, I am Angelina Figus. Thanks for your help. You can remove the «cleanup template» on the one page, because it is OK now. Grazie ancora! Ange 11:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Category:SATB split

Hi Chuck,

Vaarky & I are talking about reorganizing SATB, modeling on your very attractive version of 2-part choral music. I'm afraid I dont quite understand all the details, though I've experimented with transplanting the code to 10-part choral music, with slightly less elegant results. How can empty categories be undisplayed, how can multichoir subcats be grouped with parent, and how would the new SATB minor divisi subcategories be created? Richard Mix 01:05, 23 January 2011 (CST)

score error

Please, explain a new user: What's the "relevant edition" and How to find the correct page ? Aspergillus 08:11, 1 March 2011 (CST)

Oh, I've seen the answer... Thank you. Aspergillus 08:16, 1 March 2011 (CST)

EditionsLink

Hi Chuck, I tried to include {{EditionsLink}} on Glenn O'Brien's page, but a strange SQL error appeared. I suspect it's related to the apostrophe in his name. Would you like to check? Thanks. —Carlos Email.gif 09:57, 24 March 2011 (CDT)

Hi Carlos, As near as I can decipher from the error message, it seems definitely related to the apostrophe in a PAGENAME. When I pass "Glenn O'Brien" as the (optional) parameter, it works fine. I'm guessing that the internal code (to DPL) tries to use an apostrophe as a delimiter somewhere, and when it encounters the apostrophe in the name it aborts because of what follow the apostromphe. Smells like a bug that needs fixing. Thanks for the alert! – Chucktalk Giffen 14:51, 24 March 2011 (CDT)
Great to know that it worked fine with the trick! Thanks, —Carlos Email.gif 18:10, 24 March 2011 (CDT)

Page title problem

Hi Chuck, I've uploaded a new piece, but seem to have encountered some problem with one of the templates. It put the title of the piece in as the author as well. Unfortunately, I don't think I have that level access to change a page title or move it, so I ask for assistance. Or let me know what to do to change/move the page if I DO have the ability to do so. The composer is Claudio Monteverdi, and it is already listed on the Monteverdi page as well, linked I guess to here: the current page: [1]. Thanks! Paul Marchesano Marchesa 16:11, 26 April 2011 (CDT)

Hi Paul, it looks as if Richard Mix already fixed the problem. You do have the ability (permission) to move a page to a new title (use the "move" tab), in case you ever need to in the future. Thanks for the new Monteverdi "Angelus ad pastores ait". Chucktalk Giffen 08:02, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

New user

Hi Chuck, you wrote: Welcome to CPDL and thanks very much for your Morley edition. It is much appreciated. I've taken the liberty of creating redirects from User:B.peterson to User:Burkard Peter and from User talk:Burkard Peter to this page, which is the way that most users with an Editor username different from their Login username have things set up. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or any of the Administrators. – Chucktalk Giffen♫ 08:21, 7 May 2011 (CDT)

Thank you for your message. Is it possible to change my login username also into Burkard Peter, so that no redirection is necessary? Another question: Why the scores I've contributed are only visible when I'm logged in? Thank you, bp 06:15, 10 May 2011 (CDT)
Hi Chuck, I already replied to Peter in his talk page. I thought it was a good time to install extension RenameUser and test it. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 08:54, 10 May 2011 (CDT)
Thanks Carlos! I've been embroiled with Finale playback issues while working on a large-scale work that has diverted my attention - frustrating, to say the least. On the other hand, you've had an excuse to give the RenameUser extension a workout! Chucktalk Giffen 10:06, 10 May 2011 (CDT)

When texts cannot be translated…

Hello Chuck, thanks again for comments, feedback and suggestions on my translations.

I'm trying to answer all translation requests from IT or LA since I have a bit of time these days, but have found myself dumbfounded by some texts that, for lack of proper spelling, punctuations, etc., just don't mean anything. I have the advantage of graduate knowledge of IT and LA literature, at quite advanced levels, but simply can't make out what lyrics should be, or what they may have been intented to mean.

Is there a "please find the real text" flag on Wiki? If not, what would your advice be: leave the {{NoTranslation}} tag as it is, or remove it and place an explanation on the discussion page? Any guidance/advice would be most welcome.

Thanks Francesco aka Campelli 16:28, 9 June 2011 (CDT)

Hi Francesco, now you made me curious! :) Could you please cite a few of these texts that you've found difficulty in extracting the meaning? Perhaps I could help you by searching for better sources. By the way, thanks for correcting errors and punctuation in so many Italian texts! —Carlos Email.gif 22:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)
Hello, Carlos! Here are some examples: Lodar voi donn'ingrate (Jacques Arcadelt), Poss'io morir (Jacques Arcadelt), Io mi pensai (Jacques Arcadelt). Other poems have the issue of ab-so-lu-te-ly no punctuation, but I'm looking for the texts within my employer's library (a university). For the Arcadelt, I haven't found source/authorship yet. Thanks for suggestions. Francesco (Campelli 13:30, 10 June 2011 (CDT))

Spanish names

Charles

Spanish surnames often come in two sections. The first surname comes from the father and the second from the Mother. This is explained here http://spanish.about.com/cs/culture/a/surnames.htm.

So the primary surname for the composer Gabriel Garcia de Mendoza is "Garcia" not "Mendoza" which is effectively a "matronymic" and his name should in my view be sorted on "Garcia" in the same way as the composer "José de Torres y Martinez Bravo" has a primary surname of "Torres". The Novelist Gabriel José de la Concordia García Márquez is usually referred to as "García Márquez". See his entry on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Garc%C3%ADa_M%C3%A1rquez

Sometimes identifying the sort name is difficult as in "Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz". My view was that it was better to sort on Juana than on "Cruz". In any event I was not "monkeying about"!

Jonathang 03:08, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Hello Charles,

I noticed you posted a note regarding a possible error for my "Hyfrydol" descant. You suggested that the f/d chord in the penultimate measure should possibly be g/e. I confess I must be missing something; measure 31 doesn't contain an f/d chord. The only place the descant splits is the last two measures. Help me see what you're seeing! Thanks, Thurlow Tweedfour 15:42, 14 January 2012 (CST)

Cats

Nice work with categorising pages for Lent, Chuck. I'm sure a lot of church musicians will find your efforts very helpful :-) --Bobnotts talk 05:58, 25 January 2012 (CST)

Thanks Rob. This is something I've been meaning to do, now that Richard Mix has done such a great page of organizing the Sacred music by season categories. And, with the new English translation of the Roman Missal, there has arisen a greater interest in settings of the Mass Propers, especially amongst Roman Catholics. – Chucktalk Giffen 08:55, 25 January 2012 (CST)

Sweelinck move

Hi,

I notice links to Cantiones sacrae (Jan Pieters Sweelinck) are broken; I'd be happy to move it myself but thought you might figure out a way to catch others remaining, if any. All the best! Richard Mix 17:10, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Thanks, Richard. I forgot to move that page to Cantiones sacrae (Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck) (which is now done). – Chucktalk Giffen 21:14, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Voicing

Hi Chuck, thanks for helping add the Voicing template. I'm going to sleep now and will leave the script running until it ends. I'm aware that there'll be a few cases that will require fixing; I'll take care of these tomorrow, ok? —Carlos Email.gif 01:13, 18 February 2012 (CST)

BTW, I'm planning to remove the unnecessary categories in a second step, you don't need to worry about them now. —Carlos Email.gif 01:15, 18 February 2012 (CST)

Hi Carlos, you're welcome! I'm also adding Genre templates when I see that they are missing. I'm also heading off to bed shortly. Some day, I need a tutorial on DotNetWikiBot, because it must have a lot of useful applicagtions. – Chucktalk Giffen 01:17, 18 February 2012 (CST)

Genre

Hi Chuck, the Category:Good-bad is now being populated with all Sacred works still requiring a sort key, hope this helps with your work.

On a related subject, do you think that Requiems should also be included in the Masses category? I've seen both uses ({{Genre|Sacred|Requiems}} and {{Genre|Sacred|Masses|Requiems}}), but the former seems to be more abundant. —Carlos Email.gif 23:58, 21 February 2012 (CST)

Thanks, Carlos! For Requiems, you're right that categorizing them both as Masses and Requiems is more prevalent. And I guess there is some precedence for this, since a Requiem is indeed a Mass ("Requiem" is the first word of the Introit for such Mass). Consequently, I've been adding Masses (or Requiems) whenever I encounter a Requiem which is missing one or the other of two categories. I'm being careful to list Masses first and Requiems second in the Genre template, so that removal of Masses would be a simple matter if at some later stage we don't want both categories. Right now, I'm working on the sort keys for Masses (and Requiems), but I'll be using the Good-Bad category later, once I'm finished with Masses and Requiems. One side note, I see that the script that has installed the Genre template (as well as the one that installed the Voicing template) definitely get some of the categories messed up (for instance when the link [[Mass]] appears instead of [[Masses]] in the Genre line, or when something like [[:Category:SATB.SATB|SATB.SATB]] appeared in the old Voicing line). It will take a while to sort all this out, I suppose. For some of the changes that got messed up, one can find funny looking categories (such as "Mas" instead of "Masses", because of the anomaly mentioned above). Anyway, it gives us something to do!! – Chucktalk Giffen 00:18, 22 February 2012 (CST)
Oh yes, I refined the script as much as I could so as to cover 4-5 different situations, but a few ones got messed up indeed. I already listed all those that had "Category:" inside the template (~32) and corrected them. Most of the other cases are showing up as wrong categories in Special:WantedCategories, and I've been correcting these one by one too, but this will take a bit longer.
With respect to the Mass/Requiem approach, it's ok for me. —Carlos Email.gif 01:03, 22 February 2012 (CST)
Yep, I've been looking at the WantedCategories, too (I do that from time to time, anyway), and when I get the present stuff done, I'll join you on that. – Chucktalk Giffen 01:06, 22 February 2012 (CST)

Bach template

Hi Chuck,

Couldn't we use the naming convention Incipit, BWV n (JSB) rather than Cantata n nonmdash Incipit (JSB) for Bach and the other for everyone else? It might not be as much work as one would fear, since I notice several pages already do this: Erfreut euch, ihr Herzen, BWV 66 (Johann Sebastian Bach) and the not-yet-created but linked from Johann Sebastian Bach - list of cantatas Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir, BWV 131 (Johann Sebastian Bach), to which I wish to move two other pages. Richard Mix 23:53, 8 March 2012 (CST) p.s. I now see why it was red; will update composer page Richard Mix 00:04, 9 March 2012 (CST)

User:CHGiffen/CPDL organization

Hi Chuck. It would be quite nice to publish this document at some point soon. Do you plan on updating it in the near future? If not, would you object to me bringing it up to date? --Bobnotts talk 18:01, 19 March 2012 (CDT)

Edward Tambling editions

Are you allowed to say why they are all being withdrawn, Chuck? A pity, since they are valuable additions to CPDL. Jamesgibb 12:00, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

transcluded Editions

Chuck, may I ask you to please stop creating and adding these "Edition" pages until this is discussed and agreed upon by the other admins? I fail to see the advantage of this; on the contrary I only see disadvantages the way it is now; how is the contributor supposed to change his/her own submission if when he/she edits the page they only see a cryptic "*{{:Edition:CPDL xxxxx}}" and nothing else? You know that I am also in favor of keeping data in a structured format, but there are better solutions using templates (these Edition pages should not be in the main namespace, BTW), and ultimately we should give Semantic Forms a try if we want to properly implement what you and I have in mind. Regards. —Carlos Email.gif 21:17, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

Hi Chuck, I'm sorry for the unnecessarily harsh tone of my message above. I've been trying to deal with my general tendency to react impulsively sometimes, but I don't always succeed, as you probably noticed... Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 15:55, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
Hey Carlos, no problems. I understand where you're coming from. I was giving a dry run to my ideas, mainly with pages for which editions have been marked as removed and went on to do the whole page. I do think we need a separate "Edition:" namespace for this. I'm still hesitant about Semantic Forms, though. Anyway, we're good! – Chucktalk Giffen 17:12, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Surrexit pastor bonus

Chuck, I've just added a version of this, where the previous version has been witHdrawn at the request of Edward Tambling. I don't think I overwrote anything on the works page, but the withdrawal message seems to have disappeared!

I'll get back to you on the other matter you raised shortly. Jamesgibb 13:24, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Hi James. For some reason "wanted" appeared in the status field for the edition record, but it should have been "withdrawn" - and I've fixed that now. I also un-commented out the Sheet music and Renaissancxe music categories on the "Et respicientes viderunt (Luca Marenzio)" page, so all is well now. Thanks for the question and I'll hear from you soon. – Chucktalk Giffen 15:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

CPDLno

Hi Chuck, the template above uses #ifexist, which is considered an "expensive parser function": when used above a limit it stops working and adds the page in category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. This is currently happening with a couple of large work pages:

This problem affects other templates as well; Composer is not working in these pages. If you don't mind I'll try to fix this by replacing #ifexist with another function; if it doesn't work, I'm afraid that we'll have to remove the #ifexist and let the links appear in red (we still can make them blue with font color). Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 11:21, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

Hi Carlos. Thanks for the catch! I forgot about #ifexist being expensive. It's probably best to go with the simplest solution and not worry needlessly about workarounds. Leaving red links is alright with me. – Chucktalk Giffen 17:08, 17 August 2012 (CDT)

Re: Unintended(?) side-effects of Vcat

Hi Chuck, have you come to a conclusion about the best option? Shall we leave things as they are now? Regards, —Carlos (talk) 23:29, 3 October 2012 (CDT)

Adoramus Te, Christe (Lassus)

Chuck, as I am about to do an edition of the 4-part version of this, I'll split the page into two before I load the new version. Jamesgibb (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2012 (CST)

James, that sounds good to me. – Chucktalk Giffen 11:13, 12 November 2012 (CST)

Citecat

What is the difference between CiteCat and Cat? Jamesgibb (talk) 20:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi James. The template Cat simultaneously categorizes a page in a category and provides a link to that category. The template CiteCat just provides a link to the category (without categorizing the page). The various categories such as Advent I, Advent II, Good Friday, etc. are intended to be used for categorizing actual works, not text pages. Hence, on the text pages, I've been changing the instances of "Cat" to "CiteCat". Don't worry, though, because it's an easily fixed subtlety. What you have been doing is fantastic!! – Chucktalk Giffen 20:28, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Right. Will endeavour to remember in future! (Every time I think I'm beginning to master things, I realise the greater extent of my ignorance! How like life! Jamesgibb (talk) 20:34, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Text categories

Hi Chuck, I notice your edition to Category:Ave Maria‎ and would like to suggest that we keep using the template {{TextPageCat}} for these categories (new name of template TextSettingsCat), and create a new template similar to {{CompCatLink}} to be added to the Text pages, with a wording in the line "The list of works on this page is manually maintained. See <text category> for a possibly more up-to-date list of settings based on this text, sorted alphabetically by title." What do you think? —Carlos (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

PS: On a second thought, your idea is not bad either, as it puts everything together in a single page; but in this case I think we should take a step further and really unify both pages: the text inside Ave Maria, for instance, would be moved to the category and Ave Maria would become a redirect to it. I believe I can tweak the wiki code to allow for category moves. —Carlos (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Carlos. Thanks for your message. We need to do something, because I was a little stunned to see a not-yet-created "Ave Maria" category at the bottom of my "Ave Maria a 3" page, and then I realized that the LinkText template categorizes pages as well as pointing to a text page. I'm still thinking this through, but I feel that probably the text category pages are the way to do, with other material (basically what is on the current text pages, with some modifications) transcluded to the corresponding category page (this would be more in keeping with Wikipedia styles of transcluding all or parts of other pages in a major article). If we go with text categories, then perhaps the corresponding textual material should either be subpage or else reside outside the Main: namespace. I'm still thinking about this, and I'm sure you are, too. Let's keep each other informed as to our current thinking before going whole-hog into making sweeping changes. Thanks for your message. I hadn't even thought of CompCatLink and TextSettingsCat ... I was just making a knee-jerk reaction to seeing an uncreated category. – Chucktalk Giffen 02:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

If ye love me

Hi, I noticed this is described as a communion antiphon for Easter 6; am I right in guessing this is a Sarum thing? Richard Mix (talk) 07:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Richard, I'm not sure if it was Sarum use, but it is given as the communion antiphon in the current 3rd edition of the Roman Missal. I first encountered it in the Sacramentary and the St Joseph's Missal in the 80's. Chucktalk Giffen 19:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah! Is it given as an official English equivalent to Spiritus Sanctus docebit then? Richard Mix (talk) 02:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Never mind, I see it in Today's Missal too. Is there a Latin equivalent? Richard Mix (talk) 02:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
In the Divine Office for Saints Philip and James, Apostles, there are some antiphons, one of which is Si Diligitis Me: “If you love Me, keep my commandments, alleluia, alleluia, alleluia” (Jn 14:15). Chucktalk Giffen 03:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Search engine for CPDL

Is it possible to configure the search engine on CPDL so that a search on a given string of text retrieves instances of that string where a letter bears an accent. In other words, where the title of a work contains an accented letter as in "Válgame dios y que tres" should one always include an alias without the accent? Jonathang (talk) 11:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

17,000 scores

Hi Chuck, the score count has just surpassed the 17,000 mark. Shall we add a "news" item on the main page? Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 08:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Transpositions

Hi Chuck, I can see that 'original pitch' might be confused with varying pitch standards. Mightn't 'original key signature' also lead to some confusion with 18c practice and dorian/lydian signatures? "Original transposition", "originally notated pitch" might not be improvements either. "Original key" (even in a Webernian context!) at least has an unequivocal meaning to Lied singers and ought to work for modal music as well. Richard Mix (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Richard. Good point ... I shall not use "original key" instead of "original key signature" from here on out (and go back and remove the one word later. I should have been thinking in modal music terms, for then I might have got it right from the outset. Many thanks. – Chucktalk Giffen 02:25, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Matías Juan de Veana

Charles

Matías is the correct first name of the composer in question. "Mathias" is the archaic Spanish spelling. Could you make the correction please? The link to Wikipedia will then work correctly. Jonathang (talk) 14:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Done! Thank you. – Chucktalk Giffen 16:49, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

{{NewWork}}

Hi Chuck, I noticed that you are also removing the {{NewWork}} template after the 3-month period is gone. I've requested Claude not to remove it when the posting date is different from the submission date, so that we may eventually keep track of this difference. I hope you agree with this. Best, —Carlos Email.gif 16:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Carlos. Oops, sorry, I didn't realize this. I'll be sure and compare in the future (actually, I don't think it is absolutely necessary to remove the templates, since it "turns itself off" after 90 days anyway). Best wishes! – Chucktalk Giffen 16:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
It's not exactly true, Chuck: on each page opening, the template NewWork calls the template IsNew, calculates the difference between today's date and NewWork's template date, then decides not to show the red flag. And that, even a thousand years after the end of its usefulness!! Claude (talk) 14:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Finale versions

Hi Chuck, I don't think it was a good idea to remove version information from every Finale link! You could have added the Finale icon without removing this info. It's something that I particularly consider useful, and other users might think so, too. Please discuss with the other admins before performing mass replaces like this one. Thank you. —Carlos Email.gif 13:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Carlos. With the recent iconifying of the LilyPond files (and it not being brought up), it seemed the logical next step, and it does seem a little odd that apparently only Finale files carry a version date. Although I used to feel differently about this (and I am a long time Finale user), I no longer feel that it is necessary to track version numbers (all the way back to something like 1998) of Finale scores, when they can be opened and viewed and edited by current versions of Finale. – Chucktalk Giffen 15:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I've got Finale 2009, after having bought Finale 2005. I can't open Finale 2012 files, for example to extract lyrics. Sibelius has also versions 6 and 7.Claude (talk) 15:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Carlos and Claude, I think Finale versions are relevant information, since Finale files are not backward compatible. I even think it would be (have been) a good idea to add version number to Lilypond files, since Lilypond syntax is also changing continuously, and a later version of Lilypond may give quite different results than the one the file was written for. Imruska (talk) 09:26, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

formatting of withdrawn editions pages

Hi Chuck,

I've been updating some links to the Robert Parsons Project but am in doubt about how Ave Maria (Robert Parsons) is supposed to be edited: is the code really meant to stay on a different page Edition:CPDL 03801? Richard Mix (talk) 21:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Categories of categories

Hi Chuck,

We currently have three categories that serve the same purpose, but with quite different titles: Compositions by composer categories, Lyricist settings categories and Compositions by editor. I'd like to standardize these titles; what do you think of "Works by composer categories", "Works by lyricist categories" and "Works by editor categories"? Another option would be the much simpler "Composer categories", "Lyricist categories" and "Editor categories". Do you have any other suggestion? Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 03:19, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen 04:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

 Help 

Hi Carlos,

This sounds like a good idea to me. I like your shorter category names better than the longer ones, but I also think that something like Composer works categories, Lyricist works categories and Editor works categories might be even better, since it retains the notion that subcategories list works according to the relevant Composer, Lyricist and Editor.

Great, Chuck! I like your suggestions, they are concise while still conveying the proper notion. I'll make the changes tomorrow, need to sleep now. Thanks, —Carlos Email.gif 06:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Main page

Hi Chuck,

I was just looking at the main page listing of seasonal music, which has Music for Advent, Christmas & Epiphany, Music for Lent and Holy Week & Music for Easter. What if there was a rotating display, with say Advent/Xmas for medium-range planning and then the coming Sunday? Ideally the calendar could be automated. THere should also be a simple link to Sacred music by season, I think. Richard Mix (talk) 20:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen 20:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

 Help 

Hi Richard,

I've been thinking of something very much along the lines of what you suggest. In fact, I'm already thinking about how to implement it, so I'll ramp up my efforts and see what I can come up with. Thanks for bringing this up!

Hope something is in the works! I haven't updated in a while. Carlos made a separate page [[]] btw. ChoralWiki:% pages aren't categorized (by design?) so there's a guessing element in finding out whether ChoralWiki:Music for Lent, ChoralWiki:Music for Lent, Holy Week and Easter, ChoralWiki:Music for Lent and Easter, or (bingo) ChoralWiki:Music for Lent and Holy Week are already created… Richard Mix (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Carlos is interested too and suggested I start ChoralWiki talk:Seasonal music. Richard Mix (talk) 04:10, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Alice V. Stuart

I'm currently having another trawl through the English text pages, and also adding Lyricist pages where they are missing. One I've just added is the above, about whom I have found very little, apart from birth and death years. It turns out that there are 7 settings of her verse by Huub de Lange but, as she didn't die until 1983, they are almost certainly under copyright in the EU until 2033, and possibly still under copyright elsewhere. Question: how do I (or we) deal with this?
Jamesgibb (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing this, James. The scores of all these works (there are actually only five) say "Copyright text (c) 1953 A.V. Stuart, Scotland." It is 61 years since they were copyright; however, if the EU provision is in effect, that works are copyright for 70 years after the author's/composer's death, then we may have a problem, because then her works would be copyright until 2053. I've posted a note with the copyright issues group at the forums. – Chucktalk Giffen 22:26, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Chuck. Seemed sensible to pass it through you, since I don't always know the best destination for such issues. I think there are 6 settings; I had mistakenly counted "4 Stuart songs" as a separate item, but there are also "A Christmas Fable" and "In a green arbour".
Jamesgibb (talk) 17:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

You're right, there are six (not seven or five) settings; I had miscounted, too! More discussion at the Copyright Concerns section of Administrative Discussions over at the Forum. – Chucktalk Giffen 19:24, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Need a new Meter category

Hi Huck! Would you be able to create a new meter category? "44. 6. D (with refrain)" needs created for a tune I recently composed (CPDL #34301). Thanks! Tweedfour (talk) 16:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I assigned the meter 86. 86 (C.M.) with refrain to the tune, since that is what both the poetic text and the musical structure of the tune dictate. I hope this is okay with you. – Chucktalk Giffen 21:19, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I hadn't though of that, but it's probably easier. "Songs for the Cycle" includes the meter, and "44 6 D with refrain" is how it's listed, along with Coventry Carol as the suggested tune.Tweedfour (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Help with a dissertation

Hi Chuck. Cindy Bauchspies is interested in writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL, and I suggested her to contact you, since Bob is not having much time lately to dedicate to the project. I'll be glad to help by answering her questions, if you happen to be busy at the moment. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 15:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Carlos. I just received a (forwarded?) email from Cindy Bauchspies, and I should be able to answer her questions and offer help. Thanks! – Chucktalk Giffen 16:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

NewWork/PostedDate

Hi, Chuck. Thanks for having changed the obsolete template for the new one. Any way, in this edit, you restored the old one and switched dates so that edition appears now as created after its publication. How is this possible? BTW, what do we do with these long strings as [[Category:Posting dated]][[Category:2014-06-11]]{{#ifexpr:{{#time:Ymd|20140611+30days}}<{{#time:Ymd}}|[[Category:Posted over 30 days ago]]}}{{#ifexpr:{{#time:Ymd|20140611+90days}}<{{#time:Ymd}}|[[Category:Posted over 90 days ago]]}}. Are they still useful? Claude (talk) 08:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Claude. I've no idea at all how that happened, because at the time I was using ReplaceText to make changes from NewWork to PostedDate. That particular case is unusual in that, while it was originally posted on 2011-12-28, the NewWork template had been applied with the date 2011-08-16 (the original date of submission), which you corrected earlier in the day yesterday. I can only guess that, since I ran a ReplaceText on the same day, it must have accessed a cached version from before your edit—strange behavior, to say the least!! Anyway, I've rolled back the wrong edits so that it is correct now. Thanks for picking that up. – Chucktalk Giffen 15:43, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Shape notes

Hi Chuck,

Barry Johnston and I started a discussion about the categorization of shape-note editions; since you've dealt with this subject in the past, you're welcome to join the discussion. —Carlos Email.gif 03:09, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey Chuck, do you have any strong reason to make these cosmetic changes like this one? I particularly prefer it the way it was before, because when we mix the text with the closing curly brackets on a single line, chances are higher of someone making mistakes when moving text around or deleting duplicate lines of text at the end.
PS: I'll be making the suggested changes to the Shape notes categories in the next few days. I suppose you're not against it, since you haven't commented on the ongoing discussion yet, but there's still time. —Carlos Email.gif 23:42, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Solo voice categories

Hi Chuck,

I tried moving Category:Solo Countertenor to Category:Solo countertenor as an experiment, and as I expected the works are left on the redirect page. Is there a way to automate moving the works in Category:Solo vocal music to a consistent capitalization? Richard Mix (talk) 00:19, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Richard. Moving a Category page doesn't recategorize the pages. One has to go in separately and change the category assignments. But the good thing is that most of this can be done by invoking Special:ReplaceText. As background, when those solo voicing categories were originally set up, we used capital letters for actual standard voice names (Soprano, Alto, etc.) as opposed to lower case for broader rangers (high, medium, low), mostly because of the capitalization of (Soprano, Alto, etc.) elsewhere in voicing categories, and especially so for multiple solos (Solo SS, etc.). I'm not averse to making the change you seem to be suggesting (or perhaps change from "Solo Soprano" to "Soprano solo" etc., which actually "feels" and "looks" better to me). However, whatever changes we might decide to make with these categorizations would have to be mirrored in the AddWorks forms (else we would continually have to update the categorizations). – Chucktalk Giffen 04:44, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Form:Add work, Add music, Addworks whatever else I've missed are certainly a confusing mess! The naming convention of Category:Choral solo music would be consistent with "Soprano solo" which I agree is more elegant. I'll wait and post something to Category talk:Voicing before using ReplaceText: shall we continue there? Richard Mix (talk) 04:26, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Richard. Noticing your discussion with Chuck, I decided to put into practice an idea that I had been considering for some time. You can see it in action here. It's just a workaround that can potentially avoid having to rename all solo categories, simultaneously making the text displayed on works pages look more natural (as examples, Solo ST is displayed as Soprano-Tenor duo, and Solo SATB as SATB quartet). But, just like Chuck, I wouldn't oppose to renaming the categories themselves; we just need to thing of all dependencies before undertaking such a move. (e.g., the Multi-category Search also depends on these cats and is probably no longer working for Solo Countertenor!) —Carlos Email.gif 05:45, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Carlos, as I try to explain at Category talk:Voicing it's not reading the display that's an issue as much as remembering what to type. Or do I misunderstand what Template:Solo does? Btw, Countertenor is back. Richard Mix (talk) 06:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Underlay text removed

Chuck, I think it is not a good option to remove the transcription of the score underlay text as you did recently. I noticed that the contributions on that pages are no editions, but just links to scores grabbed from IMSLP. If you want to remove such "editions" or the whole pages, please proceed. But please remember that the usefulness of the text on a work page is to retrieve a work from a part of its text, especially when you aren't sure of its exact title on CPDL. When removing text (or text link), you restored the sentence: "Text and translations need to be added". If you removed the text, I'm sure you don't want someone to restore it! What I've in mind: 'NoText' should be reserved to "No text on the score" so that "No text will be found on the score", which is important regarding a choral work! The present 'NoText' template means "No (existing) underlay text has yet been added" and "Please, do it yourself". Another bad named template ;-) Claude (talk) 09:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Claude. I restored the text you refer to. It got deleted by accident. Sorry. – Chucktalk Giffen 13:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Main page

Hello Chuck, hope everything is fine with you!

Regarding the new info added to the Main page, is it temporary, or intended to stay? I'm afraid that it may affect page loading times, because it depends on an ever changing data that cannot be cached properly by the server. Maybe it's worth making some loading tests to be sure. Best, —Carlos (talk) Email.gif 14:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Carlos. It didn't occur to me that getting the current time might increase load times for the Main Page. Perhaps this shouldn't be done on the Main Page, since it already uses a number of templates with DPL calls?   Chucktalk Giffen 14:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
That's a good question! DPL can be cache-friendly when parameter |allowcachedresults=true is used, but I'm not sure if all the Main Page queries have it set. —Carlos (talk) Email.gif 20:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Voicing Distinction

Forgive me if this is already in another post, but is there was a way of making a distinction on the category page results of which pieces have what voicing? Ex. Advent II results show:

Deus convertens (Wolfgang Joseph Emmerig)

Deus tu convertens (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina)

Deus tu convertens (Henry Thomas Smart)

Deus tu convertens, K149 (Johann Joseph Fux)


but I have to open every link in order to see what the voicing is and whether or not it will fit the schola size that I have on any given Sunday.


So, could it instead show something like:

Deus convertens (Wolfgang Joseph Emmerig) : SATB or 4-voices

Deus tu convertens (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina) : ATTBB or SAATB

Deus tu convertens (Henry Thomas Smart) : SATB

Deus tu convertens, K149 (Johann Joseph Fux) : SATB ?

This way I know that, if I only have 3 singers for that Sunday, I probably won't need to waste my time clicking through every link to see if any of it has 3-part voicing, whatever that voicing may be. Especially for the Sundays/Feast Days with more popular propers where I open 12 pages and maybe manage to find 1 or 2 pieces that are even logistically doable.

--CCooze10 (talk) 22:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)CCooze10

By themselves, categories (such as Advent or Advent III) cannot include the voicing or number of voices of works they contain. However, using Multi-Category Search you can do much of the work yourself. Simply choose "Sacred" for the Genre, then choose your desired Liturgical Season, say "Advent", and select the number of voices, say "3 voices". When you then click on the "List Works" button, you will be shown all the works at ChoralWiki fulfilling the criteria you have selected. With the sample choices I made ("Sacred" "Advent" "3 voices"), today I got 13 works. I hope this helps, and thanks for your inquiry. – Chucktalk Giffen 05:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
<kibutz> There are some tools that might do that, but I understand they're heavy on computing resources. If you start from Category:Advent II you'll notice a blue link in the propers table for the text page Deus tu convertens, which is a hand-annotated list. Extra sharp eyes and updaters are always welcome! </kibutz> Richard Mix (talk) 06:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Propers

Is updating Mass Propers pages something done by you who run this site, or is it supposed to happen automatically? For example: I uploaded Heinrich Isaac's Alleluia 2 and Communio for The Ascension (tagging them as such), but it doesn't come up when you click on "Psallite Domino" on the Ascension page, nor does it show that there are any (clickable) entries for "Dominus in Sina." I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or if that's something that happens on your end..? Thanks. --CCooze10 (talk) 05:02, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne, If I understand you, there was a delay in the appearance on the text page Psallite Domino of the message "Other settings possibly not included to the manual list above Heinrich Isaac — Psallite Domino"? Adding it to the annotated list is done by hand and volunteer help is very welcome!
There don't seem to be any "Dominus in Sina" pages yet; for Viri Galilaei there is a text page that is not yet linked to the propers table; you can just add brackets. But that page itself can use a little cleanup and a decision about whether the antiphon or the introit (with or without verse(s) is primary, if indeed that is the source of the variations.
Btw, I'm changing this page's {{Cat|Ascension template to {{CiteCat, abreviat-able to {{CC|. Richard Mix (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see. That all makes more sense now. I'll try to do update those things accordingly. I appreciate it. (I'm not sure I'm "responding" to this thread correctly. Apologies. --CCooze10 (talk) 02:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Editions by Contributor Abel Di Marco

I believe that Abel Di Marco has perhaps lost his domain at which he was hosting the music files posted on CPDL. I have no idea how something like that should be handled, but I just wanted to make it known that his links are no longer leading to music.--CCooze10 (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Corinne, for letting us know. I changed the path to the old websites into archived ones for 'cantoral' and 'cantoral gregoriano'. Please check if it works. Claude (talk) 10:49, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Ciro Grassi

Chuck, owing to my inability to add up, I've realised that the Ciro Grassi works I've been adding are still in EU copyright. So I've added a copyright warning, which I found on the Edward Bairstow page. However, I also noticed that, since Bairstow died on 1st May 1946, his works are now out of copyright (just) in the EU. I've left the notice intact, since there may be places with a copyright period greater than 70 years, but if not, perhaps it should be removed.

I've left the Grassi works there for the moment, after adding copyright warnings, but if you think they should be removed, let me know. Jamesgibb (talk) 12:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Psalms

Chuck

Might I suggest a new category for "psalms"? Many psalms are used as the basis for hymns, but others have a quite distinctive style. They are not motets either. Examples of composers who used the psalm format include William Lawes, Francisco Valls and John Callcott.

Many thanks

Jonathang (talk) 09:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:bach

Hi Chuck,

Now that Pandolfo is creating pages for all cantatas, Could a new Template:bach (Template:JSB?) be created to add


*[http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~wfb/cantatas/31.html Complete libretto at U. Alberta]
*{{IMSLP2|Der Himmel lacht! die Erde jubilieret, BWV 31 (Bach, Johann Sebastian)}}
*{{WikipediaLink|Der Himmel lacht! Die Erde jubilieret, BWV 31}}
*[http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV31.htm Der Himmel lacht! Die Erde jubilieret] at the Bach Cantatas website

…to the external links section? I'm also getting ready to replace Johann Sebastian Bach - list of cantatas with a sortable list. Richard Mix (talk) 01:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Separate Psalms are mixed up

On 19 June 2013 I created entry #29428 Psalm 1, with the tune "Weedon Bec" for a text by Isaac Watts. The PDF & MP3 files were uploaded and are still accessible in the archive. Today I uploaded another setting of Psalm, with a different tune, different text, all different data, but something went haywire after I placed the Composer Entry onto the page. When I then went to click on "Psalm 1" to paste in the "Works Entry" I saw my 2013 file was there already.

I added the new works info (CPDL #42618) and then deleted the info that was showing up for the #29428 entry. Now I have two listings for Psalm 1 in different locations showing the 42618 info.

Under my "Shape Notes" section should be Psalm 1 #29428, and under the "Christopher L Webber" section should be Psalm 1 #42618. How can I fix this to have the correct listings show up? It's further complicated by the fact than when I studied my upload history from 19 June 2013 it seems the incorrect PDF & MP3 files got associated with #29428 (Psalm 81 Wellington). How do I fix this? I need to recreate #29428 (with corrected PDF & MP3 links) in the Shape Notes section, and keep #42618 limited to Chris Webber's section HELP!!!

  1. 29428 info:

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/File:Weed_-_Psalm_1.Weedon_Bec.pdf http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/File:Weed_-_Psalm_1.Weedon_Bec.mp3 18:57, 19 June 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+643)‎ . . N Psalm 1 (Thurlow Weed) ‎ (Created page with "==Music files==

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*(Posted 2017-01-11)  CPDL #29428:  Icon_pdf.gif [{{filepath:Weed_-_Psalm_81_NV._Wellingborough.m...") 

Tweedfour (talk) 22:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Mr Weed. I thank you for your contributions to CPDL. I understand what happened: having the same name, the second version borrowed the first one. I reverted your recent changes, restoring the first version under Psalm_1_(Thurlow_Weed) and created a new page with the recent infos: Psalm_1_(b)_(Thurlow_Weed). You'd have to rename both page titles as you want. If you cannot, just let us know which should be the complete titles. Claude (talk) 09:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

PDF not showing

Hi Chuck, For some reason the PDF for CPDL ID #33824 (Life presents the puzzles) won't display. I tried uploading a revision, but that didn't seem to take. The PDF refuses to display. Any idea why? Thanks. Tweedfour (talk) 15:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, just one minute ago it opened instantly, (from this page. Claude (talk) 15:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
How odd! When I go to that page and click on the pdf icon, I get a blank online pdf screen with a message across the top saying "This PDF document might not be displayed correctly" along with a button offering to open in a different viewer. Clicking the button offers the option to save or open with Adobe Acrobat. When selecting to open, I get an error message in Acrobat stating "There was an error opening this document. The file is damaged and could not be repaired."
So it would seem that for some reason my PC is having an puzzling issue, if you're able to open with no problem. Very strange. No other PDF on my CPDL page (so far) has this issue.Tweedfour (talk) 18:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Thurlow and Claude. I just got these messages (was away this morning), and I have had no problem at all opening the PDF score. Clicking on the PDF icon opened it immediately, so the problem is a mystery to me, but I suspect something is wrong at Thurlow's end. Chucktalk Giffen 21:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Jubilate Deo omnis terra (Josquin des Prez)

Hi Chuck,

If it's not much trouble, could I request an MXL file for Jubilate Deo omnis terra (Josquin des Prez)? I'm considering performing it up a minor third with my mixed choir. Richard Mix (talk) 21:08, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

No problem at all Richard. I'll do it right away. -- Chucktalk Giffen 01:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Requesting deletion of a broken works page that was accidentally created.

Today (2019.02.09) I added my new song to CPDL: "Movin' left (Peter Bird)". Unfortunately, due to some error in this process (probably mine), there was also an extra, unwanted page created at about the same time: "Mivin' left (GEORGE)". I would appreciate it if some administrator could simply delete this extra, broken page. Thanks! Pbird (talk) 00:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Done!! And thanks for your new song. -- Chucktalk Giffen 00:49, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have a new bug-fix to request; it is probably related to yesterday's problem concerning "Movin' left (Peter Bird)", but this time it concerns a different song. Today I uploaded ANOTHER new work, using the "Upload Now" buttons included within the "Add Works" form page. For the most part, this worked correctly. However, the new Works page that was created is labelled "One track(GEORGE)", whereas it should be labelled "One track (Peter Bird)". I have fixed the source code "{Composer|GEORGE}" to read "{Composer|Peter Bird}" and this is half of the solution, because now "One track (GEORGE)" appears on my (Peter Bird) composer page, as it should. However, I cannot figure out how to change the file-name (or other top-level name). Some background: "George" is actually my legal first name, appearing on my credit card. I don't use it in either music or science, however. I think these difficulties date from the time I signed up as a subscriber, and used my credit card (GEORGE PETER BIRD) to make payments. However, you can probably see that "George" does not appear anywhere on my Preferences page. Thus, I think the bug occurred during the set-up of my account at CPDL. If it is convenient to just delete that account, I won't mind; I can always try again to create another one. (Of course, I would NOT want you to delete any of my Works, previously contributed.) Best wishes, Peter Bird Pbird (talk) 19:22, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi again, Peter. It's just a matter of doing a page "Move" which you could have done yourself, but I went ahead and did it anyway. At the top of the works page with (GEORGE) as the composer, click on the "More" button to open a drop-down menu with some choices ... the second one is "Move" ... click that, and change the name of the page to what it should be. I also unselected the "leave a redirect" choice, since the old page is irrelevant and with this choice it will be deleted along with the move operation (which essentially amounts to a renaming of the page). By the way, looking at the photo of you on your composer page made me wonder if I've seen you before or even if we might have met, although I have no recollection of such. The fact that you became a geophysicist yet pursued music on the side is not unlike my own experience, except I was an algebraic/geometric topologist. If you have any questions or need any other help, just let me know! -- Chucktalk Giffen 21:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help, instruction, and encouragement! Actually, it seems unlikely that we have met, since I spent my whole career at UCLA while you are(?) in Virginia, and we're in different fields. But I appreciate your point that we have had similar careers, and both became seriously involved with choral music ~2005. It is a bit of a cliche that mathematicians and scientists are drawn to classical music. In my own case, I don't think of it in terms of any transfer of relevant skills (although that is conceivable); I just feel that my "right brain" (i.e., emotional/illogical/creative) side had been suppressed and ignored for so long that it needed a chance to break out and play, in a field where you do not have to prove anything; you just have to feel strongly that it is right, and possibly valuable to others if shared. Peter Bird Pbird (talk) 06:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Requesting cleanup of composer page for John Sheppard

This page has become a bit of a mess. The various works listed really could do with sorting into their proper categories. I would do it myself, but it seems that a lot of the links are sorted automatically using hidden category pages and I have no idea how these work. The list should look like this:

MASSES: Mass "Cantate"; Credo from Plainsong Mass for a Mean.

RESPONSORIES Christi virgo dilectissima; Filiae Hierusalem; Gaude, gaude, gaude Maria; Hodie nobis coelorum; In manus tuas (I); In manus tuas (II); In manus tuas (III); In pace; Justi in perpetuum; Laudem dicite; Non conturbetur (I); Non conturbetur (II); Reges Tharsis; Verbum caro.

HYMNS Beata nobis gaudia; Christe redemptor omnium; Deus tuorum militum (II) (the uploaded setting is actually the second of two); Jesu salvator saeculi verbum Patris; Martyr Dei qui unicum; Sacris solemniis; Salvator mundi, Domine; Sancte Dei pretiose.

ANTIPHONS Gaude virgo; Libera nos (I); Libera nos (II); Media vita.

MOTET: Inclina Domine (I).

MAGNIFICAT Esurientes.

ENGLISH WORKS Christ our paschal lamb; Christ rising again; I give you a new commandment; The Lord's Prayer; The man is blest; Rejoice in the Lord; Submit yourselves.

Best wishes Jason SmartJason Smart (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Done! However, all works formerly categorized as Hymns have been recategorized as Office hymns, so if some distinction should be made it will be necessary to alter things a bit. Looking at the code on the page should illustrate what I did. -- Chucktalk Giffen 04:20, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Very many thanks, Chuck! And thanks also for for re-categorizing the office hymns. Good idea! Best wishes Jason Jason Smart (talk) 10:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

No problem, Jason! Thanks for your suggestion and for all the contributions you have been making, too! -- Chucktalk Giffen 20:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Insulting behaviour

Chuck, I've just seen a totally inappropriate comment made to Claude by Christopher Shaw. (See Claude's page under the heading inappropriate tinkering). I do not think that such behaviour should be tolerated, especially when addressed to someone as valuable to CPDL as Claude. My own view is that an immediate apology should be demanded and, if not given, Christopher Shaw should be banned from the site forthwith. Jamesgibb (talk) 16:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi James. Thanks for the heads up. I've posted a reply to this situtuation on Shaw's talk page, requesting an apology. And I've also pointed out to him that he could simply have put the Template:InUse at the top of any page for which he has a series of ongoing edits. Let's see what his response is. Many thanks again. -- Chucktalk Giffen 16:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Ave Maria (Robert Parsons)

Hi Chuck

Sorry to bother you again, but could someone please help me out? While uploading an edition of the above work my computer perpetrated a glitch that I did not spot until it was too late. As a result the work was uploaded to a new page with an inappropriate name instead of the composer's existing one. I couldn't find any instructions about how to move the work to the correct page, so I renamed the page to 'R Parsons', but obviously the mess still needs sorting out properly.

Best wishes

Jason Jason Smart (talk) 15:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Jason,
I've merged your edition on top of Ave Maria (Robert Parsons).
If a work is already present on CPDL, just click on 'Add new edition' in the upper right part of its page ;-)
Claude (talk) 16:04, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed, Chuck. Yes, I did actually use the 'Add new edition' link, but my computer decided to overwrite some of the fields with some auto-complete complete entries. I thought I'd taken care to avoid this, but evidently not! Best wishes Jason Smart (talk) 16:15, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Blank lines

Hi Chuck, I noticed that you've been removing blank lines from composer pages, as in here. Depending on the web browser you use, you may be seeing something different in the displayed text, but for me it looks as if nothing has changed in the page layout after the removal of those lines. Am I missing something? Regards, —Carlos (talk) 03:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Editing Categories

Hi, Chuck, Could you please do me a small favour? On my composer page my descant for "O worship the Lord" is listed under the heading "Compositions" while my descant for "Abide with me" is listed under "Arrangements". I think the proper place for both of them is under the latter category, but I can't work out how to do the necessary edit as the lists appear to be generated automatically. Could you help, please? Best wishes Jason Jason Smart (talk) 22:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jason. I changed "Composer" to "Arranger" on the "O worship the Lord" page and refreshed your composer page, and all seems to be good now. All the best! -- Chucktalk Giffen 02:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Chuck. So that's how it's done! Very many thanks! Jason Smart (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)