User talk:Bobnotts

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External tool for editing score pages

Hi Rob, you've been editing and adding templates to a lot of score pages lately! Would you like to experiment a bit with the macros I was talking about at the forum? I uploaded the necessary files here (program) and here (CPDL macros). The macros aren't still totally developed, so you may want to customize them to fit your needs (or ask me to if you don't know how). Some step-by-step instructions:

  1. Unzip ue32v90.zip to a folder
  2. Save CPDL.MAC in the same folder
  3. Execute uedit32.exe
  4. On menu Macro -> Load, select file CPDL.MAC
  5. On menu Macro -> Set Auto Load..., select the same file
  6. Now open a new empy document: menu File -> New
  7. Edit a score page on CPDL and select all text (Ctrl-C)
  8. Paste the text (Ctrl-V) to UltraEdit's new doc
  9. Now (Ctrl-L), select macro CPDL__Score and OK
  10. Select all text (Ctrl-A), go back to CPDL page and paste (Ctrl-V)

That's it! Now just compare changes and see if there's something missing. It may sound a bit difficult at first, but with some training you'll do all steps very quickly.

This is just a temporary solution. I'm working on a way to implement a bot that would accurately do most of these edits for us. Regards, —Carlos mail_icon.gif 06:26, 31 July 2008 (PDT)

Thanks for that, Carlos. A bot would definitely be a good idea, something I looked into a while ago but determined I don't have the programming skills. I use a macro in MS Word at the moment but that's quite basic. Have you tried Python? I might have a go at the program you suggest when I get a mo, thanks. --Bobnotts talk 05:45, 1 August 2008 (PDT)
You guessed it, Rob! I was trying to customize PyWikipediaBot (a Python based bot) to run these macros in place of UltraEdit, but I'm not sure yet if it'll work as a standalone bot. Python was totally new to me, but it seemed to be one of the solutions that could be best customized to work with other "non-pedia" wikis. —Carlos mail_icon.gif 13:37, 1 August 2008 (PDT)

Contributor of Winterreise (IMSLP)

Hi Bob, You changed the "Contributor" of Winterreise (Franz Schubert)) to "Edward W. Guo" - where did you find this name. I used the "uploader" at the main page for Winterreise:

http://imslp.org/wiki/Winterreise%2C_D.911_(Op.89)_(Schubert%2C_Franz Uploader: Feldmahler (24 February 2006) Johnhenryfowler 02:00, 1 August 2008 (PDT)

Hi John. I changed it because that's his real name, elusively hidden on his user page ;-) --Bobnotts talk 18:39, 1 August 2008 (PDT)

did you mean to delete this page?

Just came across this page which was marked for deletion a while ago and wanted to check if it fell through the cracks or there was some decision to hold off (didn't see any indication on its talk page): Requests-chronological Vaarky 04:49, 29 August 2008 (PDT)

I've just deleted it, thanks for reminding me. --Bobnotts talk 19:32, 4 September 2008 (PDT)

deleting superfluous redirects

I noticed you (and I think others) deleting superfluous redirects--thanks. When we rename a page by using the Move function, it leaves behind a redirect at the old location. When the redirect is superfluous, is there any recommended way to request such deletion, or is the appearance in the change logs sufficient? Tx. Vaarky 09:11, 4 September 2008 (PDT)

You can mark any page for immediate deletion by following the instructions here. --Bobnotts talk 19:32, 4 September 2008 (PDT)

thanks for Epitaph on a Doormouse!

Thanks for doing an edition of Epitaph on a Doormouse. We sang it this week with our sight-singing group, and it's a sweet piece. Some of the singers were familiar with an earlier, out-of-print edition were grateful to have an edition that is easier to read. Vaarky 03:23, 13 September 2008 (PDT)

No problem - it's quite harmless isn't it? Thanks for the feedback. --Bobnotts talk 03:34, 13 September 2008 (PDT)

Modification of the (french) submission guide

Hi, Bob, Two or three hours ago, someone modified the (french) score submission guide, introducing a paragraph specifying that a french person isn't allowed to transfer copyright to CPDL. You can see that modification at the recent changes page. It should be incorrect to have texts changing too much comparing between languages. Regards, Claude 22:02, 24 September 2008 (PDT)

Hi Claude. I don't know anything about French copyright law but I've posted a message on the forums which will hopefully get a response. Thanks for flagging this up. --Bobnotts talk 22:27, 24 September 2008 (PDT)
Honestly speaking, I don't think that any law in a democratic country may limit the freedom of the owner of intellectual property rights to choose the type of copyright license he/she prefers. If you own the property rights of a certain work, you can decide what is allowed and what is not, what is permitted for free and what is not. It's your property, you decide. So, it sounds very strange to me that in France an author cannot choose the CPDL license to copyright his/her works. The CPDL copyright license is just a license - intellectual property always remains with the author. Perhaps the person who added such a note thought that CPDL owns the intellectual property rights for the works hosted at CPDL, but this is wrong. Anyway, I've submitted my considerations to a French guy with significant experience in the field, let's see what's his opinion. --Choralia 07:04, 25 September 2008 (PDT)

Which User talk page is correct for Raf?

Hi Rob, I see you copied messages on User talk:Admin to User talk:Rafael Ornes and put a redirect on the former to the latter. But shouldn't it be the other way around, since User:Admin is Raf's login ID? I thought it was preferable to keep the User talk:<LoginID> as ones main talk page, so that one gets informed when messages are left there. For example, User talk:Robert Nottingham redirects to User talk:Bobnotts, etc. Has the protocol changed? -- Chucktalk Giffen 13:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Chuck. Both accounts "Admin" and "Rafael Ornes" are actually registered (check out the contributions for "Rafael Ornes" and "Admin", though you're right that Raf only seems to have used the former account in 2006. I seem to recall him using this account more frequently... perhaps lost in the crash last year? In any case, yes, that's generally what we've done here (have the login ID as the talk) but I think this should be an exception: having "Rafael Ornes" as both the User: and User talk: sections means that new users are less likely to confuse his talk page for an admin forum or a place to post admin related queries. As both accounts are registered, he should receive a notification if User talk:Rafael Ornes or User talk:Admin are modified. I hope that makes sense! Do you agree? --Bobnotts talk 15:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I see what you mean, Rob. I was aware that Raf was registered under both usernames but that the one account was used only for a period od 19 days in August 2006. Let's hope that users will indeed be less confused. -- Chucktalk Giffen 13:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

A la nanita nana

Please note that it is, on current websites (except the one cited by you), described as traditional (Spanish or whatever), and therefore in the public domain. My score posting pre-dated your information by at least a couple of years, and this notice (December 2006) seems to be the first anyone has heard of Celi's authorship. Indeed, the attribution to Celi seems to have escaped everyone - perhaps even The Cheetah Girls and Howard Goodall (his arrangement on a current CD describes the carol as 'Traditional Spanish'). And after The Cheetah Girls everyone seems to have it as a ring tone. You really must be careful of your own tone, as I remarked in my e-mail to you; though if Celi is indeed the composer (as opposed to arranger) then of course he should be acknowledged as such and I would be the last to wish to infringe his copyright. But this infringement, if it is one, is small fry in comparison with the massive infringements (if they are such) on the internet and airwaves as a whole. Perhaps you should turn your attention to them rather than the very small field that is the CPDL website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Douglasbrooksd (talkcontribs) on 14:10, 22 October 2008.

I've replied by email to the points you've made here, in your message on A la nanita nana (Douglas Brooks-Davies) and in your email. --Bobnotts talk 16:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

entries for scores in composer page

Bob

There seems to be a new convention (not covered in your score submission guide) for entries in the composer page (as in {filepath:Valls-pu.pdf}}) but when I try to use the convention the links to the score are not correctly displayed, so I continue to use the old convention and every time I make a new entry it has to be corrected. Can you explain the new convention? Jonathang 12:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Could it be that you are mistyping the entry (as above, which is missing a left "{")? The complete correct code for the above link to a PDF is as follows:
[{{filepath:Valls-pu.pdf}} {{pdf}}]
-- Chucktalk Giffen 13:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Jonathan. I've just fixed Loquebar de testimoniis (Heinrich Isaac). Have a look at the code - does it make sense? Using the filepath template is mainly a temporary measure to prevent a big mixup when we move back to cpdl.org which is why it doesn't appear in the score submission guide. --Bobnotts talk 16:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

French texts request and Text in French requests

On the French texts requests page, we have no more request but on the Texts request page we have many works in French, as 'La petite fille aux allumettes'. I can't figure out how to make some work-in-French-showing-no-text to appear on the French text requests page. Thanks in advance. - Claude 09:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Claude. The reason that La petite fille aux allumettes (Ludovic Sardain) and many other score pages don't appear on ChoralWiki:French text requests is because they have not been categorised as Works in French. The wiki only knows that they are in French because Template:Language is used to tell it. As an example, I will edit "La petite fille aux allumettes" to use the template and it will appear in ChoralWiki:French text requests. It may be possible in the future for someone with access to the database to change all the "Language" lines on all score pages to use the new template but until that time, it would be a very labourious process to change each one by hand. I hope this answers your question. --Bobnotts talk 09:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Done, with your explanation, thanks : 32 works now appear also on the French text requests list. It's now your turn with the Latin or/and English language template ! - Claude 12:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC) (Just kidding;-)
Ha ha! The clever people who have run the upgrade of the site (Max and Carlos) are looking into ways that this process might be automated so that, hopefully, things like the "language" line won't need to be updated manually. --Bobnotts talk 15:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Mysterious score

Hi Bob, I posted a little something yesterday evening, and saw it correctly displayed in the recent score list on the main page. This morning, it seems to have disappeared, although the 26th is still listed. Any thoughts? Cordially, joachim 09:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Joachim. It appears when I view the Main Page... --Bobnotts talk 09:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I swear it didn't 15 mins ago. And now it does, indeed. Strrrrrrrrrrrrrange. joachim 09:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
"Cache effect", I guess. As far as I understood, if a cached version of a page exists and you are not logged-in, the cached version is shown; if you are logged-in, the "real page" is shown regardless the contents of the cache. So, you can occasionally see the same page differently depending whether you are logged-in or not, until the cached page is refreshed with the latest modifications applied to the real page. --Choralia 10:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Archived pages

Hi Rob, only today I noticed this archiving system, it's indeed interesting to have these talks kept for future reference. I was just imagining if it wouldn't be better if these pages belonged to a different namespace. The advantages would be that they would not be listed in the standard Search, and having a specific namespace for them makes it easier to find the pages, thus making the use of a category for them unnecessary. See for example these pages on the wikinew clone that were moved to a new namespace called "Archived": [1]
After the move, the namespace can be renamed to any other name (as for instance the current "DelArchive") and all pages will be moved together automatically, just like what has happened when the namespace "Requests" was renamed to "Request". What about it? —Carlos Email.gif 19:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Jumping in here, since I set up the Delete system, including the DelArchive. Yes, it would be nice to have a separate namespace for the archived deletion discussions. I suppose DelArchive: is as good a name as any (and won't require changing all those archives! -- Chucktalk Giffen 22:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

New works & Text requests

Hi Rob, I've recently dug into the Latin text requests. It's an uphill battle, but I'm hoping to get there one day. As I usually encounter fairly short texts, I was wondering if the new Add Works form (if it's ever to be implemented) might contain a lyrics field, enabling contributors to add the text without having to make an additional edit to the works page - perhaps not all contributors feel 'safe' enough to edit pages, which might explain why so many of them don't contain lyrics. Even if only a small number of contributors were to use the lyrics field on the form, it would still mean some considerable time saving. Cordially, joachim 15:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Joachim. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm afraid that I've not made any progress recently with the new add works form with Arie Fokkens. Part of the reason that I stopped was that lots of new templates were being implemented so I thought I'd let things settle down. Meanwhile, Carlos has been able to access and change the current add works form which may mean that we simply alter that rather than create a new one. I'll ask him if it would be possible to add a box for text & translation(s). --Bobnotts talk 16:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)