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Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a wiki editor or as a score editor/transcriber. You may also contact me by email: robertnottingham6{{@}}hotmail.com or by sending me a private message on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose CPDL forums], username: bobnotts. If you email me, please include "CPDL" somewhere in the subject line to prevent your message being caught by the spam filter.
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== Boyce's O praise the lord ==
 
Bob
 
Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?
 
Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)
:Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
 
== Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs ==
 
Bob
As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the [[Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs]] page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.
 
If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?
 
[[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
:Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
::I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the  CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
:::Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
::::Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
:::::I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
 
==.capx==
Hello,
is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl?
regardas W.D. Ebeling
 
== Tye's "I will exalt" ==
 
Bob
 
I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)
 
== moving categories? ==
 
Hi Bob,
 
I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)
 
:Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a [[Special:ReplaceText|ReplaceText]] instead). Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
::Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
:::Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)
 
== O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods ==
 
Mr. Nottingham:
 
I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.
 
Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5.
I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.
 
Mark Miller
 
[[User:Millermc|Millermc]] ([[User talk:Millermc|talk]]) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)
:Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)
 
== Template:Composer page/preload ==
Bob,
I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me?
--[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] 19:23, 2 November 2012‎
 
:Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)
 
Bob,
Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] ([[User talk:IanHaslam|talk]]) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 
== Links lead to (harmless) spam ==
 
It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with.
Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. [[User:RMD|RMD]] ([[User talk:RMD|talk]]) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 
== Webbe's ''When winds breathe soft'' ==
I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.<br>
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe<br>
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger<br>
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being ''A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves'' <br>
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging <br>
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur<br>
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.<br>
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast<br>
 
In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 
:Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 
== To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne ==


Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL.  They appear in my account thus -
23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current)
23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)


== Policy question on long-broken links ==
but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H


Robert, is there a policy @ CPDL regarding deleting references to editions with long-term broken links?
PS


I came across three pieces (all by the same editor) while looking at Renaissance pieces yesterday, so this morning I checked out all the editions listed by that editor. It seems that "Insula Dulcamara Ensemble" shows some 27 editions, 19 of which have been marked as having broken links. Kurtis Kroon seems to have marked them as broken more than 18 months ago (July 4, 2006).
Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --[[user:PeterHarris|PeterHarris]] 12:00, 7 October 2014‎


More annoying, for my purposes, is that many of them appear to be the only edition available for the piece anywhere on the web. DRAT!! [[User:Brian Russell|Brian Russell]] 07:20, 1 February 2008 (PST)
:Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


:Hi Brian. Basically, we don't delete edition information even if the links are permanently broken because 1) the editor could come back to CPDL in the future and restore the links and 2) users who are looking for the edition will know that it was once indexed on CPDL but is no longer available. Also, there's a wonderful website called the [http://www.archive.org Internet Archive] which (yes, you guessed it) archives a considerable number of websites. Admins (and other experienced users) can use these archives to restore the files to the CPDL server and correct the links. The present situation is that there is a sticky on the Admin/Moderator part of the forum detailing broken links so that they can be sought out and fixed. Editions from the Insula Dulcamara Ensemble have been added to this list but to be honest, after a buzz of activity, I forgot all about it!
::Thanks, Carlos --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


:Please list the works you're looking for and I will give them priority for restoring to CPDL. If you spot any more broken links, please mark them with the template <tt><nowiki>{{broken}}</nowiki></tt> and let me know if there's a website down which hosts a lot of editions and I'll try to sort them out. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:18, 1 February 2008 (PST)
== Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL ==


::I was hoping to find de Wert's <i>Sovente all'or che su gl'estivi ardori</i> and Verdelot's <i>Gabriel archangelus</i>. But I'll try to see if I can find them in Tresor Musical.  [[User:Brian Russell|Brian Russell]] 15:42, 7 February 2008 (PST)


:::Hi Brian. I've just been checking this out and unfortunately, the Internet Archive hasn't archived the PDFs from the Insula Dulcamara Ensemble web page, just the page itself. Some of the PDFs are available [http://www.speculumensemble.it/Partiture.htm here] but unfortunately neither of the works that you mention are available there. Sorry I couldn't be more help. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 07:31, 16 February 2008 (PST)
Dear Mr. Nottingham,
My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.


:Greetings -- I got tired of waiting for one of them that I marked ... so I uploaded it as work-in-progress, especially since you (Robert) asked on the forum if anyone had a copy of it.  It's my new edition of [[Magnificat a 12 (Andrea Gabrieli)|Magnificat a 12 by A. Gabrieli]], which was a great learning experience for LilyPond. [[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]] 05:22, 17 February 2008 (PST)
My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?
::Hi Kurtis. Thanks for the new edition. I've just tidied up the page a little. Using the original alto and tenor (and other) clefs certainly retains the original notation of the work. Do you have any plans to create a performance edition using modern "G" and "F" clefs? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:29, 17 February 2008 (PST)
:::Absolutely. I have another question: I originally categorized this as a "Motet" ... but only because the more appropriate category of "Canticle" doesn't exist. Does an administrator have to create the category? Or can I do it by adding it to a work? (And if I do, should I go back and recategorize the various Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis settings, which are all Canticles? (Kkroon, I just forgot to sign my name ... sorry!)
:::Just added -- a new edition with "modern" clefs. [[User:Kkroon|Kkroon]] 06:01, 23 February 2008 (PST)


:::: Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis settings are categorized uder [[:Category:Evening Canticles]]. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 07:20, 23 February 2008 (PST)
I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?


== Formatting & Templates ==
The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.


Hi Bob, Thanks for the corrections to some of my bad coding, and for aligning the Vivaldi Nulla in mundo with the format CPDL standard. Sorry for the foibles in my uploads. I have found missing scores and re-uploaded them and they all seem to be working, and I have corrected the score count on my user page. In trying to figure out some of these things I seemed to have trouble with the syntax for some templates etc. Is there some place here with "idiot pages" for using the ChoralWiki templates and syntax for the various standard types of things like links, language templates, etc? Cheers, Paul Marchesano [[User:Marchesa|Marchesa]] 05:42, 3 February 2008 (PST)
Thank you so much for your time.
:Hi Paul. No problem at all! Item number 6 on the [[Help:Contents|CPDL help contents]] under the title "How can I contribute?" is "Where can I find a list of templates used on CPDL?" Clicking on this link takes you to [[Help:CPDL Templates|a help page which lists templates used on CPDL]]. You can find some details of template syntax on the discussion page of a particular template itself, or on the main template help page. If you can't find instructions for a specific template, leave a message here and I'll do my best to help. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 07:30, 3 February 2008 (PST)


== "Lost" two editions ==
Sincerely,


Hi Robert,
Cindy Bauchspies
Well, I seem to have screwed up two additions of the 150 or so that I've put up this past few days. Somehow I didn't get the Works page added for  Claudin de Sermisy's Vive la serpe, and didn't add the info for the new edition notice for Orlando di Lasso's Lucescit iam o socii (Sabine Cassola had already put up a Works page for this, but I didn't get the edition added to it). Is it possible to find these? If I knew the accession #s I could reproduce the info, but I can't figure them out (drat!!).  Thanks for any help you may be able to render.[[User:Brian Russell|Brian Russell]] 02:37, 20 February 2008 (PST)
DMA (ABD), University of Maryland
:Hi Brian. First, let me first say thanks so much for the massive amount of scores you're indexing on CPDL! So great to have them added by the editor, rather than an admin having to search them out and add the links themselves. Unfortunately, Rafael is the only person who receives the add works form output so only he would know the missing numbers (though I suppose I could go through all of your recent contributions... I'm not really inclined to do this for obvious reasons!) However, I have identified that "15973" and "15974" are presently unused CPDL catalogue numbers which are close to your current additons. Please use these two for the Sermisy and Lasso editions. Once you've finished the latest batch of newly indexed editions, please let me know and I'll post a news page about it all. Cheers --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:13, 21 February 2008 (PST)


== Copy-pasting lyrics from scores ==
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Was poking through the forums for a bit and came across something about copyright. Being lazy and utterly disgusted with the way some are jerks with copyright, I thought I'd confirm that it is actually ok copy the text out from the score and just dump it onto the page. I did it on [[Blessed are those that be undefiled (Thomas Tallis)]] (you've probably noticed already), but I'm not going to do any more until I get an answer.. --[[User:Pyuen|Pyuen]] 03:55, 21 February 2008 (PST)
== Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML ==
:Hi Pyuen. Thanks for your query. First, let me say that I am not a qualified lawyer in any jurisdiction so any advice that I give can only be based on what I've picked up from using CPDL and general common sense. Nevertheless, I believe that the following is accurate.
:Basically, any text or translation which is contributed to CPDL must by either a) in the public domain or b) be contributed with the express permission of the copyright holder. For information about when a text enters the public domain, see [[Help:When does music enter the public domain?|this help page]] (the page is about music but the same goes for texts and translations). In the case of the score that you mention, Tallis's text will be a fairly old translation of part of the Bible which will be public domain (however, modern translations may be subject to copyright). The fact that you have copied the text from a modern edition of the work has no consequence, as far as I can see, because the editor of the edition has not made any alterations to the text. If he/she had translated or edited the text, then it may be wise to seek permission before copying and pasting the text onto the CPDL score page. Having said that, if the edition were licensed under the CPDL license, permission to copy a translation and/or edited text from edition would already have been granted because of the license.
:If you have any more queries, please feel free to ask. Also, thanks for your contributions, it's a real help to have the texts of works on the score pages, so I'd encourage you to keep on going!
:PS. Thanks for your intelligent addition of the "A to Z" box on [[:Category:Text and translations requests]] - I forgot to add it when I created the category! Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:35, 21 February 2008 (PST)


== Shape Note Meter ==
Dear Robert,


Robert,
I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.


I understand the Shape Notes category is a relatively new one.  Since so many shape note tunes are Metered, should the meter be included for cross-linking to the hymn/meters department?  I've just added two such tunes and was wondering. If so, I can add that. Thanks!  [[User:Tweedfour|Tweedfour]] 09:23, 24 February 2008 (PST)
Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.
:Hi Thurlow. I've been a bit busy recently so I was glad to see that Chuck was able to help you with the issue. I'll assume it's resolved unless I hear otherwise. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 02:18, 29 February 2008 (PST)


== Page counts ==
Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, [http://www.ukaaf.org/guidancedocuments/pdf/g009/finish here].


Is there a way to count how many times a page has been viewed, or how many times a score as been downloaded? There used to be a counter (albeit reset every month) on the Williams server. Is there a convenient Wiki code to do a continuous count? Paul Marchesano [[User:Marchesa|Marchesa]] 29-Feb-08
Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The [http://delysid.org/freedots.html Freedots project] is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the [http://standalone.music4vip.org/en/musicxml_to_bmml/conversion_step_1 VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter] is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by [http://www.dancingdots.com Dancing Dots]. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.
:Hi Paul. You can find the page count right at the bottom of the page. My talk page currently reads "This page was last modified 23:40, 28 February 2008. This page has been accessed 9,149 times. Content is available..." I don't know of a way to track the amount of times a file has been downloaded, I'm afraid. As for the popular scores log, this has not been reset for a long time so it's very much out of date... That's about the best I can do I'm afriad! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 21:17, 28 February 2008 (PST)


== Parsons page ==
Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores [http://www.rnib.org.uk/cy/information-everyday-living-home-and-leisure-music-reading-music-accessible-formats/talking-scores on the RNIB's web site]


Rob, that's a great job you did on the [[Robert Parsons]] page!  Thanks, -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:52, 1 March 2008 (PST)
As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.


== categorizing subcats of sacred music, etc. ==
The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.


Hi Rob. Good work!  I see you have done most of what I was just beginning to do, and very well, too, I might add. I'm wondering, though,  why [[:Category:Sacred music by season]] is categorized under [[:Category:Sheet music]] with the sort key " #Sacred music by season" while the others are simply categorized with the sort key "<nowiki> {{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>".  Perhaps you could enlighten me?  Anyway, thanks for all the good work. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 01:41, 9 March 2008 (PST)
I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.


:Hi Chuck. I spent a good few minutes trying to work out where I had added " Bobnotts" to a category and of course I hadn't - I added <nowiki>" {{PAGENAME}}"</nowiki> but it was read as code by the wiki software even on this talk page! I just added <nowiki>" {{PAGENAME}}"</nowiki> because I was trying to order the categories alphabetically and it was quicker to copy and paste than re-type the category title each time (though maybe they would be listed alphabetically anyway?) Anyway, feel free to alter what I've done, I just wanted to get it off the ground. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:09, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.


:: Hi Rob.  I just put the funny reference above inside a nowiki, sorry for the confusion.  Anyway, I've gone through and put in sort keys and added a few sub-subcategories (and put in the description of some that were already "in use", namely Good Friday and Holy Saturday).  For completeness, I'll probably add at least a few pther subcategories, including Annunciation, All Saints and Christ the King, which surely belong, and possibly also Reformation, KIngdomtide, Septuagesima, Sexagesima, Quiniquagesima? (less sure about these). -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 22:43, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
With all best wishes,


:::The <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> is a "magic word" (see [[Wikipedia:Help:Magic words|Wikipedia]] for details, though a lot of them don't work on CPDL 'cos we're not using up to date wiki software...) I'm afraid I don't know anything about those other seasons. Should Ash Wednesday be a subcat of Lent? Also, I prefer "Maundy Thursday" to "Holy Thursday" - what are your thoughts? I'm afraid I'm not going to be around for a bit after I've posted this message, should be back on Wednesday. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 03:20, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)


:::: Yup, I know about <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>, but wasn't thinking when I typed it before. I moved Ash Wednesday to Lent (sort key 0), and Holy Thursday has been replaced by Maundy Thursday (it has already been used, just no description and subcategorization until now). Be well, and we'll look for you on Wednesday. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 04:09, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
:Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/ CPDL Forums]? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


== Image:Portuguese.png ==
== Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly' ==


Hi Bob!
Hi Bob
Could you please unprotect the image above for edition? I'd like to upload a version that has both Portuguese and Brazilian flags merged, jut like it has been done to [[Image:English.png]].
I think this should be the correct thing to do, because just like with English, the language is only one despite each country differences.
For those who still might want to specify which version is been used in a translation (for instance), I could upload a Portuguese flag to [[Image:European Portuguese.png]] to make a pair with Image:Brazilian Portuguese.png, though I think this level of categorization is unnecessary, as the two "versions" of the language (Brazilian and European) have very little diferences to justify such distinction.
Thanks, [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] 00:19, 13 March 2008 (PDT)


:Hi Carlos. Thanks for offering to do this. I have just unprotected [[:Image:Portuguese.png|the flag]] as you requested. Please leave me a message when you've finished and I will re-protect the file. It would be good if you could keep to the same dimentions as the existing image (30x16 pixels) as it sits well with the template text which is formatted as "big" and bold. I don't know anything about Portuguese so I'll go along with your suggestion not to have a separte image for "European" Portuguese. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 04:16, 13 March 2008 (PDT)
Great score. However there are a few errors


::Thanks Bob, it's done, see how it turned out: [[Image:Portuguese.png]]. Size is slightly different but it doesn't seem to be perceptible. If you see any problem in this tell me and I'll try to redo it. Only hope now people will stop using the ''Brazilian Portuguese'' version, by thinking the ''Portuguese'' was only for those living in Portugal. :)  [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] 06:01, 13 March 2008 (PDT)
Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat
Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat
Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat


== file trouble ==
Regards


Hi Bob, I've recently uploaded [[Caro mea (Mathieu Gascongne)|Caro mea]] by Gascongne, but found out the midi file wouldn't play.  I've uploaded another one, which plays like a charm on my pc, but fails to produce any sound when activated from the works page.  Any thoughts on what may have gone wrong?  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 20:18, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
Ian


: Hi Joachim.  It plays fine for me, although it does take a bit of time to download (maybe that's related to the extreme lowness of CPDL of late and it's being down for awhile yesterday). -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 22:19, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
== 'Anthems' ==


::Strrrrrrrange... Still, so much the better if it does play.  Thanks for checking. [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 22:48, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
Hi Bob,


These files I uploaded seem to have "disappeared".  I uploaded replacements.  If these are
I was just contemplating (after editing [[Talk:William Boyce]]) adding a {{CC|Full anthems}} sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in [[:Category:Anthems]]? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
anywhere to be found they can be deleted...


http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/3/3d/Love_is_a_Bable.pdf
== Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs ==
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/6/6e/Love_is_a_Bable.mid
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/d/db/Love_is_a_Bable.sib


[[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 23:35, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] ([[User talk:Peter Gibson|talk]]) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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Boyce's O praise the lord

Bob

Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?

Jonathan Jonathang 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --Bobnotts talk 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs

Bob As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.

If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?

Peter Gibson 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --Bobnotts talk 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on Carols for Choirs 1 ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? Peter Gibson 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --Bobnotts talk 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on Carols for Choirs 1 that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. Peter Gibson 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --Bobnotts talk 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)

.capx

Hello, is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl? regardas W.D. Ebeling

Tye's "I will exalt"

Bob

I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? Jgoodliffe 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

moving categories?

Hi Bob,

I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? Richard Mix (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a ReplaceText instead). Regards, —Carlos (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? Richard Mix (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. Bobnotts talk 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods

Mr. Nottingham:

I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.

Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5. I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.

Mark Miller

Millermc (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers Bobnotts talk 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

Template:Composer page/preload

Bob, I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me? --IanHaslam 19:23, 2 November 2012‎

Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —Carlos (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)

Bob, Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.IanHaslam (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Links lead to (harmless) spam

It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with. Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. RMD (talk) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Webbe's When winds breathe soft

I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast

In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)
Jamesgibb (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --Bobnotts talk 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne

Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL. They appear in my account thus - 23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current) 23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)

but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H

PS

Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --PeterHarris 12:00, 7 October 2014‎

Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Carlos --Bobnotts talk 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL

Dear Mr. Nottingham, My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.

My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?

I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?

The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.

Thank you so much for your time.

Sincerely,

Cindy Bauchspies DMA (ABD), University of Maryland

Director, Women's Glee Club United States Naval Academy Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road U.S. Naval Academy Annapolis, MD 21402-5086 Tel: (410) 293-2439

Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML

Dear Robert,

I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.

Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.

Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, here.

Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The Freedots project is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by Dancing Dots. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.

Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores on the RNIB's web site

As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.

The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.

I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.

I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.

With all best wishes,

Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)

Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the CPDL Forums? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly'

Hi Bob

Great score. However there are a few errors

Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat

Regards

Ian

'Anthems'

Hi Bob,

I was just contemplating (after editing Talk:William Boyce) adding a Full anthems sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in Category:Anthems? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… Richard Mix (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs

It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? Peter Gibson (talk) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)