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Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a wiki editor or as a score editor/transcriber. You may also contact me by email: robertnottingham6{{@}}hotmail.com or by sending me a private message on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose CPDL forums], username: bobnotts. If you email me, please include "CPDL" somewhere in the subject line to prevent your message being caught by the spam filter.
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'''Archives:'''
'''Archives'''
*[[/Archive 1|1 (November 2006 - August 2007)]]
*[[/Archive 1|1 (November 2006 - August 2007)]]
*[[/Archive 2|2 (September 2007 - February 2008)]]
*[[/Archive 3|3 (February - July 2008)]]
*[[/Archive 4|4 (May - November 2008)]]
*[[/Archive 5|5 (November 2008 - February 2009)]]
*[[/Archive 6|6 (February - July 2009)]]
*[[/Archive 7|7 (July 2009 - August 2010)]]
*[[/Archive 8|8 (August 2010 - September 2011)]]
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== Boyce's O praise the lord ==


== Clean up Brahms Page ==
Bob
Hello Bobert, I started the clean up of the [[Johannes Brahms|Brahms]] page today and it takes much more work than I anticipated. I saved the list of works as text file, so I can edit it off-line. It will look much the same as the work you did on the [[Felix Mendelssohn|Mendelssohn]] page. Maybe you like to see a bit of code before I start editing the real page?<br>
Kind regards, Arie--[[User:Arie|Arie]] 21:40, 11 August 2007 (PDT)
:Hi Arie. I recommend that you experiment on user subpages like the ones that I have created for my help pages project. Perhaps [[User:Arie/Johannes Brahms|this page]] and [[User:Arie/Johannes Brahms: works ordered by opus|this page]] would be good places to start? I'll watch your progress. If there's anything that I'm concerned about, I'll let you know. Likewise, if you have any questions, feel free to leave them here. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:31, 11 August 2007 (PDT)
::Robert, thank you, I am already trying it out!--[[User:Arie|Arie]] 23:39, 11 August 2007 (PDT)
Hi Robert. I've finished the [[User:Arie/Johannes Brahms|alphabetical list]], and am now working on the [[User:Arie/Johannes Brahms: works ordered by opus|list by Opus number]].--[[User:Arie|Arie]] 00:37, 19 August 2007 (PDT)
:Hi Arie. Well done on completing the alphabetical list. Now the only thing to do is move all the pages that have incorrect titles so that they do. If you could check the "what links here" list (accessable under the toolbox menu on the left) before (or after) moving a page, then correct the links as appropriate, that would be great. Also, it is useful to the admins if you mark redirects which don't have any links to them for deletion. It isn't good on a wiki to have lots of extra unused redirects sitting on the system and distorting searches. In this case, you should use the new [[Template:Delnow|delnow template]] (info on the talk page) to mark those pages for immediate deletion. Thanks for all your work! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 04:54, 19 August 2007 (PDT)


==CPDL Help==
Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?
Hi Robert, I had made a help file for adding music to CPDL. it is at:
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/3/3f/Adding-A-Score.txt
It is mostly correct, but needs reference to templates for adding composer pages.
In my opinion CPDL's "Help" section is really apoor replacement for a FAQ section, and not much help. [[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 10:33, 12 August 2007 (PDT)
:Hi John, Thanks for the link. [[User:Bobnotts#WIP|As you may have seen]], I've been trying to improve the help system with limited success. It takes so long! But I'm determined to persevere. If you have anything that you want to point out, please leave a message on the talk page of the appropriate WIP page. If you want to start working on something yourself, I've found that the best place to do that is on a user subpage (see Wikipedia's explanations - [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:User_page#What_about_user_subpages.3F|here]]). You just have to create a new page called "User:username/subpage_name" and you're away! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 04:46, 13 August 2007 (PDT)


==Recently added edition - [[La Pastorella (Anonymous)]]==
Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)
Hallo, thank you for your message re editor naming - I will continue to adopt this system. I apologise for breaking the rules (I was just trying to organise things so that Christopher could register as an ordinary user separate to the 'contributor' one - I guess he still can, with your system). I'll put our other scores on soon (I have already generated and noted the CPDL score numbers for them). Mandy Shaw 00:05 BST 20 August. [[User:MandyShaw|MandyShaw]] 09:06, 19 August 2007 (PDT)
:Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
:Hi Mandy. No problem. The only reason that it's useful to have the editor's real and full name is for error reporting etc... I look forward to the rest of the scores! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 02:19, 20 August 2007 (PDT)


== Links to scores on composer pages ==
== Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs ==


Hello Robert, Brian Russell here.
Bob
:Hi Brian. I've just editing a page that you recently edited, Thomas Greaves to remove any links to scores (your edition or the other), leaving just the italicised text "2 editions available" in line with CPDL general conventions. In the case of there being 2 or more editions of a work available, the relevant entry on the composer page should not be accompanied by links to scores but instead just a notice which tells the user that they will have to follow the link to the score page for a choice of which edition to use. The only exception is when the editions are by the same editor in which case there may be a preference chosen by the editor.  
As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the [[Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs]] page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.


I was doing just that a bit ago, and was politely chewed out for it. Hmmm... Oh, well...
If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?
Since I'm going to add rather a large amount later this week (likely another 100 pieces), I'll go ahead with editing the composer pages in line with that convention.


:Incidentally, I've recently created a PDF from one of your scores and uploaded it to CPDL and made a link to it from the edition page. It is here. I hope that you approve. Best wishes, Robert.  
[[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
:Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
::I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the  CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
:::Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
::::Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
:::::I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)


Thanks. I didn't want to delete the PDFs, but I have somewhat limited space on my site, and am working on a new edition of the English Madrigalists Series (without Stainer & Bell's intellectual property -  the editorial markings like barring & accents, dynamics, etc.), and along with various other bits of Renaissance vocal music, really couldn't afford the space. I didn't want to impose on CPDL for more than 1000 PDFs, especially when I don't know how many people would be interested. (8^(>O  [[User:Brian Russell|Brian Russell]] 07:45, 20 August 2007 (PDT)
==.capx==
Hello,
is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl?
regardas W.D. Ebeling


== Welcome back! ==
== Tye's "I will exalt" ==


Hi Rob, welcome back!  I got a chance to hear the BBC 3 broadcast of the Choral Evensong from Dunblane Cathedral.  It was a beautiful hour, and I'll try to listen in again another time or two.
Bob


I'm currently trying to work on [[Template:delreq]] and recall how I got the previous version to include a yyyy-mm-dd sort key for the [[:Category:Delete requests]], but so far no success.  Please note also that you should substitute the [[Template:delnow]] (I don't remember if you knew this before your break).
I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)


It's good to have you back. -- [[User:CHGiffen|ChuckGiffen]] 05:13, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
== moving categories? ==


:Hi Chuck. Thanks for that and sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I'm simultaneously recovering from my holiday, going back to a full time job, renovating and house and trying to keep up with all the good stuff that's going on here! I'm glad you enjoyed the broadcast. I think I'm ok with the delete templates. I look forward to getting more involved but at the moment I feel like all my efforts are just to tread water... we'll see how things go... --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 07:53, 6 September 2007 (PDT)
Hi Bob,


==Composer cleanup==
I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)


*the text "n editions available" should be italicised as with the other instances
:Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a [[Special:ReplaceText|ReplaceText]] instead). Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
::Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
:::Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)


Robert, I've been trying to get the edition #s on the Farnaby composer page to italicize, but nothing seems to work. I tried a copy/paste from some that work, I tried the Italicize button at the top of the window, then copy/paste including the end of a good one as far back as taking a bracket from the end of the marker for the title, but to no avail. Could you help me out?
== O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods ==


Thanks, Brian Russell 06:08, 10 September 2007 (PDT)
Mr. Nottingham:


== Thanks for sorting out the 'editor name' issue ==
I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.


Is there a set of guidelines documented somewhere that will prevent me from making this sort of mistake? I can't find one.[[User:MandyShaw|MandyShaw]] 23:33, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5.
:Hi Mandy. CPDL is currently in the stage of overhauling all the help material. My work may be found on various subpages linked from [[User:Bobnotts#Wiki_WIP|my user page]]. I will shortly move at least one of those items (the score submission guide) to be a subpage of the [[ChoralWiki:Community portal|Community portal]] where the CPDL community can raise any issues and offer suggestions. I will add this issue of "editor name" to the [[User:Bobnotts/CPDL_Standards|standards subpage]] which I am drafting. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:03, 18 September 2007 (PDT)
I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.


== Category Pagan Music? ==
Mark Miller


Hi Robert!
[[User:Millermc|Millermc]] ([[User talk:Millermc|talk]]) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)
:Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)


Thanks for cleaning up Leanne and my pages - we're both new at the Wiki-based CPDL (my previous CPDL contributions were in its pre-Wiki days).
== Template:Composer page/preload ==
Bob,
I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me?
--[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] 19:23, 2 November 2012‎


I was wondering why you changed the category of Pagan music to Unknown genre in Leanne's Crescent Moon page?
:Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)


Cheers,
Bob,
Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] ([[User talk:IanHaslam|talk]]) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


Michael Winikoff
== Links lead to (harmless) spam ==
PS. Feel free to reply by email (michael AT winikoff DOT net)


== Thanks for your 2 lots of advice ==
It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with.
 
Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. [[User:RMD|RMD]] ([[User talk:RMD|talk]]) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Will be adding some more composers and works at the weekend - I'll try the composer template out then.[[User:MandyShaw|MandyShaw]] 09:23, 19 September 2007 (PDT)
 
==  Correct title format for Handels works? ==
 
Since discussions on composer pages are not very quick noticed I post a link here: [[Talk:George_Frideric_Handel]]--[[User:Arie|Arie]] 20:03, 24 September 2007 (PDT)
 
==Birth/Death dates==
 
Hi Bob,


For the Birth/Death Dates on composer pages I noticed that all the unhosted composer pages
== Webbe's ''When winds breathe soft'' ==
you edited still have dates with format:
I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.<br>
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe<br>
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger<br>
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being ''A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves'' <br>
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging <br>
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur<br>
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.<br>
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast<br>


In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


'''Born:''' [[12 November]] [[1833]]
:Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


'''Died:''' [[27 February]] [[1887]]
== To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne ==


Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL.  They appear in my account thus -
23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current)
23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)


for example:
but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H


  http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Alexander_Borodin
PS


Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --[[user:PeterHarris|PeterHarris]] 12:00, 7 October 2014‎


Is this the "right" format for the date ?  I thought you were changing to:
:Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


'''Born:''' 12 November 1833
::Thanks, Carlos --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


'''Died:''' 27 February 1887
== Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL ==




Dear Mr. Nottingham,
My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.


[[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 09:54, 6 October 2007 (PDT)
My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?


:Hi John. As I understand it (and I may well be wrong on this), it should be as follows:
I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?


::'''Born:''' 12 November 1833
The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.


::'''Died:''' 27 February 1887
Thank you so much for your time.


:Because the links aren't useful as far as I can see. And I think it helps to have "Born:" and "Died:" bold. But then that's just my opinion.... I think it's right though, of course! Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:00, 6 October 2007 (PDT)
Sincerely,
:Yeah, that's right - to be honest I was in a bit of a rush and just wanted to get the category right (unhosted). Normally, I would go through and change it all... --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:02, 6 October 2007 (PDT)


== Your HELP pages ==
Cindy Bauchspies
DMA (ABD), University of Maryland


Your excellent help page on submitting your own score was never put into the HELP system.
Director, Women's Glee Club
Can I ask why this was not done ?  It is a big improvement over my original text version
United States Naval Academy
and should be getting used...  [[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 01:12, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road
:Hi John. No, it wasn't added. It should definitely be added but I still had a few of Noel's suggestions to add. It could be added as it is but I think there's still some work to do... Incidentally, I've edited the page you created, [[Advent for Choirs]]. I thought that the titles generally just got in the way - better to have <tt><nowiki>'''Title:'''</nowiki></tt> than <tt><nowiki>==Title==</nowiki></tt> in my view. I also tidied the contents, adding links where there are CPDL editions for the works in question. Let me know what you think. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 03:35, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
U.S. Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD 21402-5086
Tel: (410) 293-2439


::I like your page for [[Advent for Choirs]] but I'd put the works numbers back in to help navigation in the physical book.  Also preferred the label "Webpage to buy the book" label for the URL to the website - it makes it clear - "direct link"  isn't as clear.  It must have been a lot of work to get the links done for the CPDL works pages and composer pages. :)
== Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML ==


::Let's (the two of us) agree on a standard format to use with Musical Publications - Make a template - and use it.  This will save hours of re-editing.  I've done Carols For Choirs-Vol1, Carols For Choirs-Vol2, Carols For Choirs-Vol3, Carols For Choirs-Vol4, Madrigals and Partsongs, 100 Carols for choirs all in the other format - which should now be re-edited for a consistant look to these pages
Dear Robert,


::What is your take on whether copying out the table of contents for a specific book (which is under copyright) would violate the book's copyright ? [[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 11:02, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.


:::Hmm I'm not sure of the copyright implications... on the one hand, it's just a list of works... it's not like you can copyright the order of a concert programme but then it has been specifically chosen... I reckon because we're adding a link to the publishers to buy it, if we were to email them, they can hardly say no - it's like free advertising for them.
Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.


:::Anyway, I definitely agree about making a template and sticking to it. I'll add the numbering back to [[Advent for Choirs]] (I take it where you jumped from 1 to 3 [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Advent_for_Choirs&diff=prev&oldid=83097 here] that was a mistake? I'll also put back the description of the link - you're right, it is clearer. It took a while to get all the links right but hopefully it was worth it! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 02:42, 8 October 2007 (PDT)
Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, [http://www.ukaaf.org/guidancedocuments/pdf/g009/finish here].


::::The jump from 1 --> 3 IS a mistake. I checked the original. [[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 04:41, 8 October 2007 (PDT)
Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The [http://delysid.org/freedots.html Freedots project] is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the [http://standalone.music4vip.org/en/musicxml_to_bmml/conversion_step_1 VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter] is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by [http://www.dancingdots.com Dancing Dots]. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.


:::::I've just created [[Template:Collection]] which should make it easier to standardise any new anthem (or other genre) collections. The usage is explained on the talk page. I'll standardise the rest of the anthem collections that you've added when I get a spare moment. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:31, 12 October 2007 (PDT)
Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores [http://www.rnib.org.uk/cy/information-everyday-living-home-and-leisure-music-reading-music-accessible-formats/talking-scores on the RNIB's web site]


As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.


Was checking to see if your help page was now linked up to Help Page [[Help:How_can_I_post_my_own_scores?]] Found it wasn't - Looking forward to having it linked up. [[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 01:11, 12 October 2007 (PDT)
The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.
:Believe me, it's at the top of my "to do" list :-) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:31, 12 October 2007 (PDT)
::I've just finished editing the page (I think) and it's ready to be moved to the main help system when an admin has a free moment to do so... --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 01:02, 13 October 2007 (PDT)


== Mery yt ys - edited links ==
I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.


Thanks for the note Bob. I remember grappling with that one late at night long after the coffee ran out. I have since revisited it (and revised it), and hopefully the links now point in the right directions. I have left the "cleanup" box in place until the page is approved.
I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.


[http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Anonymous#M Mery yt ys]
With all best wishes,


--[[User:Lil Miss Picky|Lil Miss Picky]] 10:29, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)


:Hi there. Thanks for adding the line on the [[Anonymous#M|Anonymous composer page]] but I'm afraid that's only half the job! To submit the score correctly, one must run the [[ChoralWiki:Add Music|"add works form"]] and place the code that it produces on the page [[Mery yt ys (Anonymous)]], instead of the ABC code which you have added. You may find it useful to consult [[Help:Score submission guide|my draft help page on score submission]] '''[edit: now complete]'''. I would do this myself but I'm afraid I don't have the time at the moment. If you encounter difficulties or don't get round to it until I am able to, I'll do it myself. All the best --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 04:33, 8 October 2007 (PDT)
:Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/ CPDL Forums]? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


== Re Robert Barber composer page ==
== Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly' ==


Hi - just a note that I removed the birth and death categories as we don't have his birth or death years, only the dates between which he 'flourished' - so surely the birth and death categories are meaningless if not misleading... [[User:MandyShaw|MandyShaw]] 22:15, 16 October 2007 (PDT) (P.S. something very odd indeed about that automatically generated timestamp, it was approx 1.15 BST on Wed 17th.)
Hi Bob
:Hi Mandy. Yes, the categories aren't useful at all. I thought you'd forgotten to add them and I didn't notice the "fl" abbreviation. I'll replace them with "Unknown" as it should be for all composers where the birth and/or death dates aren't known. As for the time stamp, I think the clock on the CPDL server is out a fair bit! I'll send Raf an email to see if he can fix it. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 23:23, 16 October 2007 (PDT)


== Village pump - and Community portal? ==
Great score. However there are a few errors


Hi Rob.  Great that you have activated [[ChoralWiki:Village pump]].  What should be its scope, as compared with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump Wikepedia:Village pump]?  Also, do you feel we should make a go with [[ChoralWiki:Community portal]]?  In particular, should there be some sort of index into these (and other?) areas of CPDL on the Main Page? A new blurb about these might be a good thing, too. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 08:36, 24 October 2007 (PDT)
Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat
:Hi Chuck, yes, absolutely. I was about to post on the forum about the village pump. To be honest, I hadn't really given it much thought and just wanted to get it off the ground. I think we should probably only split things up if people start posting enough to warrant it. CPDL isn't as big as Wikipedia, of course :-) As for the community portal, I think that currently CPDL does not have enough active moderators/monitors/admins, whatever you want to call them. Essentially, IMHO, there aren't enough people who do something on the wiki except add their editions or works (not to diminish those people's efforts, of course - without transcribers/editors, CPDL would be nothing). The Community Portal is my vision for getting people involved in CPDL as a wiki, not just a free sheet music site. I thought I posted on the admin part of the forum about this a while ago but I can't find it so it's probably still all in my head! There's lots more to be done on the community portal IMO. A link from the main page and a news article would be great. Perhaps we should discuss on [[ChoralWiki talk:Community portal]]? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:53, 24 October 2007 (PDT)
Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat
Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat


== Paul Hindemith ==
Regards


Hi, thanks for the corrections to the page above. I was unaware there was such distinction between 'hosted' and 'unhosted' composers. :) [[User:Carlos|Carlos]] 07:36, 3 November 2007 (PDT)
Ian
:No problem! It's designed to be useful to users, so that when they browse composers in the category and click on one expecting to be able to download some scores, they don't instead get a page without any downloads available. Do add some more composers in the future if they don't already have a presence here - it encourages other people to submit new editions or biographical info. Thanks --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:42, 3 November 2007 (PDT)


== Change in template ? ==
== 'Anthems' ==


Hi Bob,
Hi Bob,


Would you add a new template:  ((a-cappella or keyboard))  ?
I was just contemplating (after editing [[Talk:William Boyce]]) adding a {{CC|Full anthems}} sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in [[:Category:Anthems]]? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 
Most of the works where I used the ((a-cappella or piano)) template would be probably using organ to accompany, so "Keyboard" is more generic.  I didn't do more than 15 usages of the template, so (if you agree) now would be a good time to change it, and I'll edit in
the change to the individual works pages.
 
Another way to go is use 3 templates:
 
:((a-cappella or piano))
:((a-cappella or organ))
:((a-cappella or keyboard))
 
[[User:Johnhenryfowler|Johnhenryfowler]] 10:19, 9 November 2007 (PST)
 
:Hi John. I've just created the new template - [[Template:a cappella or keyboard]] which I think is best. If you could correct all the instances where [[Template:a cappella or piano]] is used, that would be great. Leave a message here when you're done then I'll then delete that template. Cheers --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:16, 13 November 2007 (PST)
 
::I've corrected the pages and deleted the old "piano" template. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:22, 16 November 2007 (PST)
 
== Matthew Locke ==
 
Bob
 
I filled in a "new composer" form for Locke last weekend, but he has not yet appeared. Is there something else I should do? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] 01:04, 28 November 2007 (PST)
 
:Hi Jonathan. That form is old and relies on the manager (Raf) adding the page which (frankly) just won't happen in the near future. I have altered the page to reflect the current situation (users are now advised to refer to the score submission guide and create the page themselves instead). If you would like me to add the composer for you, please leave all the details here (birth and death dates, nationality, period, works, links etc.) Otherwise, please follow the instructions on the [[Help:Score submission guide#Adding a new composer page (optional)|score submission guide]]. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 03:06, 28 November 2007 (PST).
 
::Thanks. Have done it myself now [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] 05:35, 28 November 2007 (PST)
 
==[[Estote fortes (Luca Marenzio)]]==
 
Hi, i'm sorry for the not-so-professional page of [[Estote fortes (Luca Marenzio)]], i'm not very able to use CPDL, even if i've got some experience in wikipedia. Moreover i'm italian and i'm not so good about speaking english. Now I'm trying to learn something about this site...
 
A part from that, can I ask you a question? Under which category or authors shall i publish (is this the right term?) popular italian choir songs, in particular from the alpine zone? Most of them are anonymous, but with very good arrangements (also by well-known musician, f.e. Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli)... Shall I open a page for them, or put them under the name of the arranger, or just call them anonymous?
 
Thank you for your attention --[[User:Roberto.sette|Roberto.sette]] 06:33, 29 November 2007 (PST)
 
:Hi Roberto. Don't worry about the page - I'm happy to help. There are a couple of requirements for a score page which you haven't met yet - they are the following:
:#Editor name (your full real name is required - is this Roberto Sette?)
:#An image file, typically a PDF file. If you don't have software that can create a PDF file, try [http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp CutePDF] which is free.
:As for your anonymous songs, you should list them under the [[Anonymous]] page, noting the arranger on the page. There should be composer info on the [[Anonymous]] page and a separate page for each song. I hope that's clear. If you need any more information, just leave another message here. Please create and upload a PDF file for the edition. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 14:19, 29 November 2007 (PST)
 
Ok. Thank you! I'll post soon the PDF file. --[[User:Roberto.sette|Roberto.sette]] 08:49, 3 December 2007 (PST)
 
==Message from Huub de Lange==
 
Hi Robert, I have send some messages by e-mail.
Best wishes, Huub
 
== [[Regina coeli]] ==
 
Hi Robert, the additional text you inserted is not really part of the antiphon proper; rather, AFAIK, it is the set of versicle/response and oration that, together with the antiphon, forms a particular kind of preces, or suffragium. It sounds a bit complicated the way I phrase it, so I would rather leave it to you to clarify that in the article...;) Use my information at your discretion. Best regards [[User:T.a.k.|T.a.k.]] 08:41, 28 December 2007 (PST)
:Hi T.a.k. To be honest I don't really understand what you said! If you could add some kind of explanation on the page, that would be great. I don't have a Catholic background so I really don't know anything about these antiphons etc. Thanks --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 23:14, 4 January 2008 (PST)
 
== Reply to '' Your pages on CPDL - redirects''==
 
Ah, thanks for moving the page.  I think I was listed as a composer once before, but then some of the stuff I did (and probably other people's as well) got bumped back to how it was at an earlier date; I'm not sure.  So, yeah, that works well for me.  As for my nationality, however … um, you want where I was born, right?  Or is it something more specific (there are more specifics)?  —[[User:Shoreu|Shoreu]] 14:48, 1 January 2008 (PST)
:That looks great, Mark, thanks for adding that info. Unfortunately, your works would have been lost in the crash. Please do resubmit them when you get the chance (the site is being backed up a lot more frequently now). Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 23:14, 4 January 2008 (PST)
 
== Mateo Romero ==
 
Thank you, Bobnotts, for your help! This morning, all my mistakes are corrected! 
I wish you a very good new year
[[User:Gaudeamus|Coro Gaudeamus]] 21:26, 4 January 2008 (PST)Maria Jesus Luelmo
:No problem at all! Happy New Year to you too. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 23:29, 4 January 2008 (PST)
 
== New categories ==
 
I'd like to add new categories. Some exist for Advent, Christmas, Epiphany and Lent, but it would be useful to have Easter, Ascension etc. Is there a guide on how to create new categories?
[[User:Andrewrabbott|Andrewrabbott]] 21:59, 7 January 2008 (PST)
:Hi Andrew. I've just created the categories that you have suggested at [[ChoralWiki:Music Subcategories]] (there isn't a guide on how to create new categories because it's fairly rare that they get created but these new ones should be very useful). It might be a good idea to order the Easter music in the same way as [[:Category:Advent|Advent]], that is Easter I, II, III etc. What do you think? I can easily implement the change if you think there are enough works on CPDL to warrant it and if the different weeks of Easter have particular texts which are more appropriate for them rather than other weeks. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:18, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 
:: Much of what Rob suggests was being worked in the period between the crash and the last backup before the crash:  a categorical organization of the liturgical year.  Revisiting this issue is on my own personal "to do" list.  I doubt that it is possible to reconstruct precisely what has been done before, but the period since the Advent category together with its subcategories were created (and still survive) has given time for mulling just how to go about implementing a more comprehensive category scheme.  I'll move this up the list of things to get done.  I should point out that there is little problem with the major seasons and celebrations of the liturgical year, but the real problem is in the smaller details, since the liturgical calendar has undergone change, even within the Roman Catholic church, and there are differences amongst the calendars of various other Rites and Christian denominations. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:42, 8 January 2008 (PST)
 
I've added some other categories now as well, for Maundy Thursday, Good Friday etc. I worry about the use of individual Sundays, such as Easter I, Easter II etc, because of the points made by CHGriffen. Hope you will agree with all the extra categories. I think there are enough works to fill them, and it's useful when you are searching for pieces for a particular period.
[[User:Andrewrabbott|Andrewrabbott]] 00:32, 10 January 2008 (PST)
 
:: Hi Andrew.  Take a look at [[:Category:Advent]], which has [[:Category:Advent I]],...,[[:Category:Advent IV]] as ''subcategories''. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:37, 10 January 2008 (PST)
 
== Spirit of God (Skye Boat Song) ==


Dear Robert
== Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs ==


I have gone back to my source The Church's Worship and although Margaret Old is identified as the lyricist, no copyright notice is given. This appears as hymn #386. from the Internet search I found various other hymnals with the same Hymn is listed Church Hymnery 4 #600, at http://www.whitburnsouthparishchurch.org.uk/w_themes.htm #108 (Hymnal not identified), on http://www.musiccorner.co.uk/p106812/Sing-Glory---Full-Music-(hardback)/product_info.html is is listed but not numbered in Sing Glory.  There was a full set of lyrics at www.scoutxing.com/songs/songs_1279.htm according to Google, but the site was not working. From these it would indicate that the words are generally available.  What do you think? [[User:Richardirwin|Richardirwin]] 19:11, 10 January 2008 (PST)
It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] ([[User talk:Peter Gibson|talk]]) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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Boyce's O praise the lord

Bob

Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?

Jonathan Jonathang 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --Bobnotts talk 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs

Bob As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.

If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?

Peter Gibson 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --Bobnotts talk 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on Carols for Choirs 1 ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? Peter Gibson 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --Bobnotts talk 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on Carols for Choirs 1 that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. Peter Gibson 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --Bobnotts talk 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)

.capx

Hello, is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl? regardas W.D. Ebeling

Tye's "I will exalt"

Bob

I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? Jgoodliffe 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

moving categories?

Hi Bob,

I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? Richard Mix (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a ReplaceText instead). Regards, —Carlos (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? Richard Mix (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. Bobnotts talk 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods

Mr. Nottingham:

I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.

Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5. I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.

Mark Miller

Millermc (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers Bobnotts talk 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

Template:Composer page/preload

Bob, I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me? --IanHaslam 19:23, 2 November 2012‎

Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —Carlos (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)

Bob, Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.IanHaslam (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Links lead to (harmless) spam

It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with. Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. RMD (talk) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Webbe's When winds breathe soft

I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast

In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)
Jamesgibb (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --Bobnotts talk 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne

Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL. They appear in my account thus - 23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current) 23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)

but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H

PS

Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --PeterHarris 12:00, 7 October 2014‎

Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Carlos --Bobnotts talk 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL

Dear Mr. Nottingham, My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.

My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?

I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?

The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.

Thank you so much for your time.

Sincerely,

Cindy Bauchspies DMA (ABD), University of Maryland

Director, Women's Glee Club United States Naval Academy Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road U.S. Naval Academy Annapolis, MD 21402-5086 Tel: (410) 293-2439

Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML

Dear Robert,

I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.

Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.

Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, here.

Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The Freedots project is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by Dancing Dots. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.

Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores on the RNIB's web site

As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.

The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.

I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.

I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.

With all best wishes,

Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)

Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the CPDL Forums? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly'

Hi Bob

Great score. However there are a few errors

Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat

Regards

Ian

'Anthems'

Hi Bob,

I was just contemplating (after editing Talk:William Boyce) adding a Full anthems sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in Category:Anthems? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… Richard Mix (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs

It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? Peter Gibson (talk) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)