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Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a wiki editor or as a score editor/transcriber. You may also contact me by email: robertnottingham6 AT hotmail DOT com (replacing "AT" and "DOT" with "@" and ".") or by sending me a private message on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose CPDL forums], username: bobnotts. If you're emailing me, please include "CPDL" somewhere in the subject line to prevent your message being caught by the spam filter.
Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a wiki editor or as a score editor/transcriber. You may also contact me by email: robertnottingham6{{@}}hotmail.com or by sending me a private message on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose CPDL forums], username: bobnotts. If you email me, please include "CPDL" somewhere in the subject line to prevent your message being caught by the spam filter.


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*[[/Archive 5|5 (November 2008 - February 2009)]]
*[[/Archive 5|5 (November 2008 - February 2009)]]
*[[/Archive 6|6 (February - July 2009)]]
*[[/Archive 7|7 (July 2009 - August 2010)]]
*[[/Archive 8|8 (August 2010 - September 2011)]]
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== Translation request ==
== Boyce's O praise the lord ==


Hi Rob.  Here you go:
Bob


VOOR IEDERE PARTITUUR HET FORMULIER SLECHTS EENMAAL INVULLEN, AUB. De software genereert een cpdl-volgnummer voor uw partituur wanneer u het formulier verstuurt - er komen dus een aantal overbodige nummers op de lijst indien u dit meer dan eens doet. Het publiceren van de partituren gebeurt door vrijwilligers, en het kan dus even duren eer u uw bijdrage terugvindt op cpdl; u moet hier even geduld voor oefenen.  Bent u bij het invullen informatie vergeten te vermelden, dan zet u dit beter recht met een mail (bij voorkeur in het Engels) naar addscore (at) cpdl.org - ook hiervoor hoeft u het formulier dus geen tweede keer in te vullen.
Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?


Ideally, though, this warning would also appear (if it were only in English) on the actual form, don't you think?  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 18:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)
:Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)


:Hi Rob, here we are with the Italian version.
== Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs ==


:''PER FAVORE NON RIEMPITE IL MODULO "ADD WORKS" PIU' DI UNA VOLTA PER UNA STESSA EDIZIONE. Una volta inviato il modulo viene generato un unico numero CPDL che diventa obsoleto se il modulo viene prodotto una seconda volta per la stessa edizione. Dei volontari riceveranno il modulo che avete inviato e lo pubblicheranno nel contesto wiki entro qualche tempo - per favore siate pazienti. Se avete dimenticato di includere qualche informazione la prima volta che lo avete inviato, per favore scrivete una mail a addscore (at) cpdl.org con i dettagli piuttosto che inviare il modulo nuovamente. Tra i volontari che gestiscono i moduli ci sono persone che comprendono l'italiano, quindi potete scrivere la mail in italiano se è più facile per voi. Grazie.''
Bob
As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the [[Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs]] page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.


:Please note: I've added a phrase saying that some volunteers managing the forms are able to understand Italian (Carlos actually does, and I can also help if necessary), so emails to addscore (at) cpdl.org may be written in Italian if it's easier for the contributor. I hope you agree with this. If not, just remove the phrase "Tra i volontari... ".  [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 09:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?


::Hi Rob, after reading Max' translation, I think I ought to mention that the Dutch version urges people to mail in English.  If you disagree (I'd be willing to translate should the case present itself, of course), just omit <i>(bij voorkeur in het Engels)</i>. [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 09:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
:Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
::I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the  CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
:::Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
::::Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
:::::I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)


:::Thanks both of you for those translations - I've added them to the page. Hopefully that will make an impact. You both made the right call with the language of emails - as you say, Max, Carlos can translate the Italian if we need it but no-one on the admin team speaks Dutch so it's probably best to stick to English even if it's not the contributor's first language. If you know anyone who would be able to translate the English text into another language (German? Spanish?) that would be really useful - thanks! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
==.capx==
Hello,
is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl?
regardas W.D. Ebeling


== CPDL #18861 ==
== Tye's "I will exalt" ==
Hi Rob.  The score in question belongs [[Mon coeur se recommande à vous (attributed to Lassus)|here]], actually.  I'd have done it myself, but I haven't got a clue as to how move things about in wiki environments.  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 19:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks Joachim. I've fixed this now. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


== Tisokuan's scores ==
Bob
 
Hi Rob.  Tisokuan seems to maintain the website for the Aeolian Consort - an early instrumental group.  Such groups frequently perform choral scores.  Recently, one of my CPDL editions was converted to a recorder piece (with my blessing) and posted elsewhere.  Tisokuan has made several choral/instrumental editions (which came first, I'm not sure), and they have been posted here, albeit with the somewhat awkward route that provides us with a link to the instrumental editions which then link to the choral editions.  I caught your ScoreError and removed it, with a note on how to locate the choral score.  Maybe such a note should be posted in the edition notes of other Tisokuan editions? -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 20:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Hmmm yeah thanks for pointing that out. Maybe the best solution would be to just link directly to the web page that has the choral scores listed on it, rather than the instrumental scores? We could achieve that with the [[Template:Website|website template]], of course. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 21:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:: Linking to the Choral page (using {{CiteTemp|website|br=}}) at his website would be the best solution.  The only question is whether Tisokuan would mind us doing that. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Scores not found ==
 
Hi, Bob, On [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Spanish_text_requests that page], you will see, under A, B, C and D letters, many scores to which I cannot have access.
I noticed Adrian Cuello's site may have changed, but it seems that all this scores aren't on the new site. Could you please check this and put broken link templates if necessary? Many thanks in advance. Cordially, - [[User:Claude T|Claude]] 11:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:Hi Claude. You're just as able to correct broken links as I am. I'll correct ones as I see them but I'm afraid I don't have a crystal ball to look into to see where Adrian Cuello hosts his music. If you can't find one of his works on [{{website|adrian cuello}} his website], I suggest you email him. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 18:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Again about SIAE etc. ==
 
Hi Rob, I've noted that you are proposing for deletion a work by Cristian Gentilini, as it cannot be performed without permission from SIAE. As discussed already on the forums, I personally disagree on deleting pages in such conditions, as there are some circumstances, foreseen by the copyright laws, where a copyrighted work can be used without permission from anybody (i.e., the composer or the association in charge of managing the intellectual property rights on behalf of the composer). By removing the works, we make impossible all uses, including those not requiring any permission. I'd rather prefer leaving the works available, but adding a clear disclaimer when attempting to download the score (similarly to IMSLP). [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 12:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:I have to say I disagree with your position on this, Max, but I'm afraid I don't have the time to form a proper response to your message on the forums - sorry for not being able to do this. I hope that we might have a full discussion before implementing any new policy. I hope to contribute to the discussion towards the end of this week as it's a particularly busy one for me. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 18:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== redirects ==
 
Hi Rob, I saw that you deleted again [[Untreue (Friedrich Silcher)]] but if you check you'll find there are still 2 pages linking to it. You probably imagined these were dynamic pages but no, they are old logs created by hand. There are a couple of other redirects in the same situation. Until we decide what to do with these log pages, do you think it would be good to keep their links valid? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 12:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
: Chiming in here, I would say delete the old log pages, now that they are replaced with DPL pages. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::[[Untreue (Friedrich Silcher)]] was actually not a redirect but a duplicate score page but that's by the by. I did indeed assume that the pages which link to it were dynamic but you're quite right, they were compiled manually. Since there seems to be some agreement here, I've gone ahead and deleted those two pages. By the way, I get an "Expression error" when I open [[ChoralWiki:November_2005_scores]]. Any idea what that's about? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 20:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::: The expression error is now gone - it disappeared when I opened the page for edit, previewed it (without the error appearing) and then saved it (null edit).  I guess just "touching" the page solved the problem. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 20:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


== Date added ==
I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)
 
Hi Rob, with respect to [[Hallelujah Chorus (from Messiah) (George Frideric Handel)|this edition]], I understand that if a user uploaded files and ran the Addwork form on day X, that should be the date used on his edition, even if we create the entry for it one year later. If I'm using the CPDL# from his own work submission, it makes sense for me to use also the related date. Has there been any previous agreement on this subject? Thanks, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 12:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Basically, no, I disagree. The edition info may well have been submitted on day X and a file uploaded but it has been '''added''' to (or indexed in) the archive today. Also, from a practical perspective, it will now appear on the Main Page under "most recent scores" whereas if we used the date submitted, it would not be visible to the majority of users who use this feed as a way of finding out which editions are "new". --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 12:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::Speaking as a user/editor, I'd prefer to see in my edition the real date on which it was submitted, not the day the CPDL guys decided to finally put my edition online (remember that in the Add Work confirmation message it says something as "your edition will be available in a couple of days"...). As for the second argument, my understanding is that it was "indexed" (i.e. received a CPDL#) on the day the user ran the Addwork form. What I did was just a "maintenance task" to put his work online. Also, about the date used to show a work on the Main Page: it's the date in the NewWork template, not the one in the Edition template. Anyway, it seems we'll need to hear some more opinions to find a consensus on this. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 12:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::: I agree with Carlos about the submission date being preferred over the posting date.  In my experience with scholarly and professional journals, articles are always tagged with the date of submission/receipt - eg. "Received on January 23, 1986" even though perhaps only published in the 2nd quarter, 1987 issue of the journal, which might actually not appear until late 1987 or early 1988).  It is most unfortunate that the submission form for the edition in question was only discovered a year later in the database.  So, while the edition was submitted quite some time ago, it has only just been "published" here.  I think that the wording "added yyyy-mm-dd" is itself misleading and probably should be changed either to something like "received yyyy-mm-dd", which is easy enough to via the {{CiteTemp|Editor|br=}} template.
::: There is, however, another (albeit perhaps minor) problem that hasn't been mentioned yet:  Since '''both''' the {{CiteTemp|NewWork|br=}} and {{CiteTemp|Editor|br=}} add (in this case different) date categories to the page, the statistics supplied by {{CiteTemp|NewScoreCount|br=}} are skewed (by one for each instance of a NewWork/Editor date mismatch).  If I am not mistaken, the fact that NewWork adds date categories is now simply an artifact from a previous time when we did not have the Editor template adding date categories or before the Editor template became universal (thanks to mass editing).  Thus it would seem that removing the date categorization currently added by NewWork is a simple enough solution to the extra date category problem. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::: '''Addendum:''' If we want the Main Page) to reflect publication date (as opposed to date of submission/receipt) through the (possibly different) date appearing in {{CiteTemp|NewWork|br=}} after its date categorization has been disabled, then the DPL code in [[ChoralWiki:LatestScores]] can be modified (DPL can detect templates and parameters passed to templates). -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::: '''Addendum, round 2:''' I decided that the complexity of using DPL as described above is like trying to swat a fly with a sledge hammer, so I made simple modifications to templates {{CiteTemp|IsNew|br=}} and {{CiteTemp|NewWork|br=}}.  Now NewWork only adds a date category if the date passed is within 10 days of the current date, although the new icon and categorization in {{CiteCat|New works}} still persists for 90 days.  Thus, any NewWork/Editor date categorization mismatch only occurs for 10 days. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::::Chuck, I liked the solution you found for this problem of double categorization! I was also mistaken in what I wrote to Rob, in fact any of the templates NewWork/Edition can be used to show a new work on the Main page. I also agree with the suggestion to change the wording of "added" for something more appropriate. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 17:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::::: Thanks Carlos!  I've just changed "added" to "submitted" (at least for the present) - wasn't sure whether to use "submitted" or "received". -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 21:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::::::OK... I think I understand this correctly, that if we post an edition on a different day from that which it was submitted then we leave the "Editor" template as it is (date it was submitted) and change the "NewWork" template to today's date? If so, surely [[Hallelujah Chorus (from Messiah) (George Frideric Handel)|the edition which kicked all of this off]] needs to be changed? Also, Carlos, why do we have a "submitted" date of 2009-02-27 for [[Agnus Dei (from Missa Laetare) (John L. Wright)]]? It was actually submitted on 2009-02-26 as CPDL #18963‏... --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 10:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:::::::Hi Rob, for some reason I stopped receiving the Addwork emails again, so when I checked in the database for the ''Agnus Dei'' entry, I only saw the last one (#18972 dated 2009-02-27) and didn't see it was a re-submission. In this case the data from the first submission can be used on the work as well. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 18:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
[shift left]
: Ackkkkk!  I seem to have opened a Pandora's box!  To prevent '''any''' (especially one or two day) submitted/posted date mismatches, I've changed things yet again.  Template NewWork now does the following:
:# categorizes in Category:Posted yyyy-mm-dd (for 10 days - and the {{CiteCW|LatestScores}} page detects these via a new template {{CiteTemp|PostedOn|br=}} that substitutes for {{CiteTemp|ScoresOn|br=}}),
:#displays the new icon followed by <small>(Posted yyyy-mm-dd)</small> and categorizes in Category:New works for 90 days.
:It took awhile to get the format straight, but at least it's a workable solution. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Dowland: When Phœbus first did Daphne love ==
 
Rob,
 
I noticed that you added the text to this page in October last year (I'm sure you remember it perfectly).  I'd be really interested to know where the third stanza came from, since it's not in the original publication (or not in my copy; I think there was only one edition, though I may be wrong), yet it perfectly continues the truly appalling sentiments of the rest of the song.  Do English undergraduates have to compose Elizabethan pastiches these days??
--[[User:DaveF|DaveF]] 22:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
:Dave: Alas, the extra stanza was not of my design though I think I should be rather proud if I had written it myself, despite the sentimental subject matter! I often get texts from the Lied and Art Song Texts Page if they are there since it seems to be a reliable resource. Checking it now, I find I probably got the text for "When Poebus" from [http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=1711 this page]. You may wish to contact Emily Ezust who runs the whole thing to see what her source is. (I'm now an English ''graduate'', btw!) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
::Hm, interesting - I will check it out.  I just wondered whether, if the poem appears in other sources besides the Dowland, the author might be recorded somewhere.  And I hadn't forgotten you'd graduated - my not entirely serious (and not entirely well-phrased) suggestion was that you might have composed it as an exercise ''when'' an undergrad. --[[User:DaveF|DaveF]] 19:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Of course you realised - mea culpa. I sometimes feel as though I have to tell everyone I talk to that I passed my degree...! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
== No more English texts? ==
 
The page 'English texts requests' I used until yesterday 23:50 doesn't work this morning.
Instead of a list of pages, it shows only one line :
'This page lists score pages of works in {{{1|"
as if the variable 'language' be empty.
And now, at the Text request page, no more 'English text requests' anymore, just 'Middle English text requests' which show the same unique line as above.
All that without any modification mentioned on the 'recent changes' page. Strange indeed.
So, it's not a strike ;-), only a technical difficulty for me to proceed.
Edit: I can pass by using 'Works in English', which works, choosing those without text. - [[User:Claude T|Claude]] 13:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
:Gone back allright at this minute.[[User:Claude T|Claude]] 14:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
== instability of CPDL ==
 
Bob


System seems very unstable. Should corrective action be taken? [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 14:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
== moving categories? ==
:Hi Jonathan. Thanks for the message - I share your concerns. We're aware of the problem and the IT team are trying their best to minimise the impact on users. It may be that we have take some more drastic action if these problems continue. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 15:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


== Midi/MusicXML ==
Hi Bob,


Greetings,
I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)


I'm using a program called MusicScore, provided freely to Linux users. As with most programs the file formats are limited. This one can read its own as well as MIDI and MusicXML. In my Windows days I used both Finale and Noteworthy when I was a frequent contributor to CPDL.  
:Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a [[Special:ReplaceText|ReplaceText]] instead). Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
::Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
:::Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)


I recently joined a small parish choir - quite a departure from the Men and Boys choir I was with some years ago and there are limitations as to vocal ranges. I would like to turn Stanford's Mag 'n Nunc from G to F but doing it all manually from the PDF would be a real task. Having a MusicXML or MIDI file would shave many weeks off the task, as my day job occupies way too much time.
== O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods ==


I appreciate what assistance you can offer.
Mr. Nottingham:


Thanks,
I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.


Christopher
Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5.
[[User:Gacb|Gacb]] 16:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.


:Hi Christopher. I've just updated my edition with a few minor corrections and I've also added a MIDI file. I'm afraid I can't see a way of creating a MusicXML file in Sibelius - it's not an option on the "export" list. Anyway, I hope you're successful with the MIDI file. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Mark Miller


== Score submission guide (Dutch) ==
[[User:Millermc|Millermc]] ([[User talk:Millermc|talk]]) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)
Hi Bob.  Updated as you requested.  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 08:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)
: Same for Italian. --[[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 16:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::Very many thanks to both of you. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 21:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


==Answer to your message==
== Template:Composer page/preload ==
Hi rob, thanx for your message, don't worry, i have some other works that i will upload. Now i havn't enough time (exams... i hate studying!)... but i will !
Bob,
I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me?
--[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] 19:23, 2 November 2012‎


cool that other young people are interested in vocal music. here in france, it's really hard to find people that understand me, really.
:Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)


bye bye
Bob,
Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] ([[User talk:IanHaslam|talk]]) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


joseph
== Links lead to (harmless) spam ==
[[User:Joscquin|Joscquin]] 15:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


== Thank you ==
It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with.
Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. [[User:RMD|RMD]] ([[User talk:RMD|talk]]) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


Been a bit busy, so only just got round to correcting it, so it's all in good order. It is a pretty perfect chant, isn't it? I've put another up- Psalm 149's chant by Stanford, another wonderful one (especially if one happens to be a bass) and I hope it measures up to the scrupulous standards that seem to be going.
== Webbe's ''When winds breathe soft'' ==
I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.<br>
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe<br>
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger<br>
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being ''A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves'' <br>
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging <br>
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur<br>
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.<br>
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast<br>


Thank you,
In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


[[User:Njhl tenor|Njhl tenor]] 22:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:Hi Nived. Thanks for the latest chant, one that I know very well (and I'm a bass!) Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


== Mass delete by DPL query ==
== To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne ==


Hi Rob, you probably haven't yet noticed [[Special:NukeDPL|this new tool]] that can be found in the Special pages. With it you could have deleted all those categories with just these DPL parameters:
Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL. They appear in my account thus -
titlematch        = CPDL%
23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current)
  namespace        = Category
23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)
Next time give it a try! If you have any doubt about how to use DPL parameters just ask me or consult [http://semeb.com/dpldemo/DPL:Manual DPL:Manual]. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 19:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hi Carlos. Thanks for that. I did consider the mass delete DPL thing but when I searched just for CPDL in the title, it didn't come up with anything so I gave up, deciding it would be quicker to do it by hand than learn how to use the tool. Thanks for (briefly) telling me how to use it. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 20:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


== Hymn meters / Other languages ==
but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H


Hi Rob, could you help me please, I'd like to categorize all subcategories similar to [[:Category:Two line meters]] in a new category. What would be the most appropriate name for it? I thought of "Meters by number of lines" but perhaps there's an specific term for that that I don't know. About this new category, would it be OK to add it under [[:Category:Hymn meters]]?
PS


Another unrelated question: I'm trying to find a suitable name for a category that will gather all translations of CPDL pages into other languages (as [[:Category:French pages]]). The ideal would be to use simply "Translations", but it's already taken for the text translations. What do you think of "Category:Localisations" (LocaliZations?), or "Category:Article(Page?) translations"? Perhaps you can think of a better term. Thanks, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --[[user:PeterHarris|PeterHarris]] 12:00, 7 October 2014‎


:For the second question: what about "Category:Translated (Page/Article)"? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] 17:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


::Hi Claude, "Category:Translated pages" was the first idea that came to my mind too, and I even added it to a couple of pages, but haven't created the category page yet, waiting for more suggestions. I was trying to find a more generic term to be displayed in [[:Category:Contents]], just like "Composers", "Lyricists" etc., that's why I was more inclined to use "Category:Localisations". Let's see what a native user of English has to say about it :) Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 18:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks, Carlos --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


:::Hi guys. As for the meters, "Meters by number of lines" sounds like the best title to me but I'd be open to alternatives. For a title for a category of all pages translated into languages other than English, "Translated pages" would be my preference. I personally don't like "Localisations" - it's suggests to me more than the same page in another language. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 20:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL ==


::::Thanks, Rob; searching for alternatives in other wikis on the net I saw that a great deal of them created a "Category:Multilingual" to accomodate their pages with multiple translations. Do you guys like this name? Otherwise I'll stay with "Category:Translated pages" as you both also suggested. Rob, just one last question: for your ears does it sound exactly the same to say "Dutch pages" and "Pages in Dutch"? Thanks, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 04:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


::::: For what it's worth, "Translated pages" and "Pages in Dutch" seem most appropriate to me. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 10:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Nottingham,
My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.


::::::I agree on "Pages in Dutch", Chuck, but my inner pedant has a little trouble with "multilingual". This word (being an adjective) needs to have something to describe and for me, it can't sit on its own. The [http://www.oed.com Oxford English Dictionary] defines the word as either an adjective or a noun, but the noun form refers to a ''person'' who is able to speak in more than two languages. "Multilingual pages" would be preferable to "Multilingual", though that may suggest that the pages categorised as such are written in more than two languages. Anyway, this is all a bit of a moot point since you've already decided on "Translated pages" which is fine by me. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 13:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?


== Modifying Wikipedia links ==
I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?


Hi. I've recently signed up here on CPDL, to work on interconnection between CPDL and Wikipedia. My main aim is to add CPDL links to Wikipedia articles, however, I'm going to also correct links here to Wikipedia, when incorrect. But I'm not sure, when I find a link here, that points to a redirect on Wikipedia, whether I should correct it to the 'canonical' Wikipedia article name or leave it as it is. Which one would you recommend? Thank you. --[[User:Tomaxer|Tomaxer]] 13:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.
:Hi Tomaxer. Thanks for all the work you're doing correcting and adding links - it's great! Links to Wikipedia from CPDL should point directly to the article on Wikipedia, not a redirect, though it's not a problem if they do point to a redirect. Thanks! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you for your answer, Rob. --[[User:Tomaxer|Tomaxer]] 10:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


== Page move function ==
Thank you so much for your time.


I have recently uploaded a file, but being the clumsy typist that I am, have uploaded it with a typo in the name. I can't seem to find a page move button anywhere, so is it possible to move [[File:Hawryluk-All_Glory%2C_Land%2C_and_Honour.pdf]] to [[File:Hawryluk-All_Glory%2C_Laud%2C_and_Honour.pdf]] ? Also, I am thinking of going through Category:Sheet_music_errors and correcting the (usually minor) errors. But, how should I upload the corrections? It seems odd to make a new edition just to correct some typos, but I also would not feel comfortable overwriting another file with a CPDL number / contributor. What is the best procudure? Thanks! [[User:Freedomlinux|Freedomlinux]] 21:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Sincerely,
:Hi Bill. Thank you for your enthusiasm for correcting errors in editions. Ordinarily, these are done by the original contributor but if you feel so inclined, I see no problem with other users making such corrections. Substantial corrections should be done by the original editor.
:However, I'm afraid you've gone about the process all wrong! Firstly, any corrections to an edition should overwrite the original file and edition entry, rather than creating another edition entry. Because of this, you should not run the "add works" form when you are correcting an edition but only when you are contributing a new edition. Finally, I've just looked at some of the PDFs you've uploaded and they seem to be of a much lower quality than what I would expect. The difference in quality between the first and second pages of [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/a/af/Weelkes-When_David_Heard.pdf ''When David heard''], for example, is quite substantial. What software are you using to create PDFs? I think you must have it on a low resolution setting. I have reverted your edits for the moment, but don't be disheartened! Please try to recreate the PDFs and upload them then we'll set about replacing the older files with your updated ones. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 14:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::I am afraid that this news of the policy of CPDL has deterred my editing. I was under the impression that editing and republishing an existing work qualified as an 'edition'. Also, what is the proper way to make corrections to a PDF hosted on an external site? Under your suggestions, my version would be lited instead of the original version, but I am not comfortable removing the link from the original author and thus affecting his page traffic. Also, your suggestion that major corrections be made by the original author seems to totally undermine the definition of a Wiki, which should inherently encourage community edits. When considered together, I consider these attitudes and policies quite disturbing.
::As for the quality issues, I did not initally notice the issues that my editing workflow was introducing. I believe that the quality issue was most likely introduced by the PDF printer included in Fedora linux (GtkPrint ?). My workflow also occasionally includes GIMP graphics editor for minor text changes and ghostscript for joining the pages of a PDF. I have been away from my workstation for a while, so I will look into the quality of my workflow and try editing again. [[User:Freedomlinux|Freedomlinux]] 14:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


== Some articles ==
Cindy Bauchspies
DMA (ABD), University of Maryland


Hi, I've come up over a few articles that might need some attention:
Director, Women's Glee Club
* [[Thomas Bayley]]. It is stated there that ''Ignaz Ritter von Seyfried'' is his alias. According to Wikipedia and NGDMM (New Grove Dictionary), Seyfried's birth and death dates are 1776, 1841. The B&D dates from the article here are 1836, 1907. However, I think, this article is meant to be about [[:wikipedia:Thomas Haynes Bayly]] (1797&ndash;1839).
United States Naval Academy
* [[L. P. Breedlove]]. His name is Leonard Breedlove and I think, this article should be moved to this name, because it is more informative.
Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road
* [[Robert Cornysh]]. The person in this article lived in 1465&ndash;1523. However a person with similar name, [[William Cornysh]], lived during the same time. Also, I did not find any mention of Robert in NGDMM or using Google, so I think, it is the same person.
U.S. Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD 21402-5086
Tel: (410) 293-2439


I hope, you can look at this issues. Because fixing them would require major changes, I wanted to consult them. Thank you.
== Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML ==
--[[User:Tomaxer|Tomaxer]] 22:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


:Hmm these are certainly tricky.
Dear Robert,
:#The scores on [http://www.cipoo.net/music_v.html Cipoo.net] give his dates as listed on the CPDL composer page (1836-1907). It could be that the alias was added incorrectly. In that case, he could indeed be the second Bayly that you mentioned, 1797-1839. There may even be a third Thomas Bayley, the one to whom Cipoo.net refer. Perhaps the best way to move forward would be to email Cipoo.net and ask them what there source is for those two editions, and if it's possible the composer/arranger is in fact one of the two you have indicated.
:#I've moved the pages as you requested.
:#It seems likely that this is William d.1523 after all. However, there's already an [[Adieu! mes amours (William Cornysh)|''Adieu'']] by [[William Cornysh]] but with a different tune to [[Adew, Adew (Robert Cornysh)|the one currently listed]] under [[Robert Cornysh]]! What are your thoughts on this?
: --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 12:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


::So, regarding Bayley, I've sent the mail as you suggested and I'll inform you after I receive reply. But I'm not sure about Cornysh. You mean that ''Adieu'' and ''Adew, Adew'' are the same works, only their names are in different languages?
I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.
::And I have one more question: when I find an article here without WikipediaLink, should I preventively add it even if there is no such article on Wikipedia? I think, it would be a good idea, because now I check new articles here, but I can't check new articles about composers on Wikipedia. --[[User:Tomaxer|Tomaxer]] 16:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


:::Let me wade in here. Tom, I believe I have already sorted out the problems related with Thomas Bayley, who was in fact [[Thomas Haynes Bayly]] as you suggested. The alias was simply misplaced there, and the dates had also incorrectly been taken from yet another person, [[wikipedia:Thomas Bailey Aldrich|Thomas Bailey Aldrich]].
Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.
:::With relation to Robert Cornysh, please read [[Talk:William Cornysh]] for the conclusions that Chuck and I have come up with. "Adew" is in fact an anglicized form of French "Adieu", but William Cornysh has two different works that begin with such exclamation: [[Adew, adew, my hartis lust (William Cornysh)|Adew, adew, my heart is lost]] and [[Adieu! mes amours (William Cornysh)|Adew, mes amours]]. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 19:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


::::OK, so thank you to all involved in dealing with these articles. --[[User:Tomaxer|Tomaxer]] 22:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, [http://www.ukaaf.org/guidancedocuments/pdf/g009/finish here].


== Some doubts ==
Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The [http://delysid.org/freedots.html Freedots project] is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the [http://standalone.music4vip.org/en/musicxml_to_bmml/conversion_step_1 VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter] is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by [http://www.dancingdots.com Dancing Dots]. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.


<p>Hi!
Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores [http://www.rnib.org.uk/cy/information-everyday-living-home-and-leisure-music-reading-music-accessible-formats/talking-scores on the RNIB's web site]
I just applied to volunteer by adopting J.S.Bach's page...you replied...but I don't know if I can start right now or if I need to wait for some special authorization or something...</p>
Another question...
How can I respond to a score request? I visited the list of requests but I don't find a way to take that request...How does it work?
Thanks! [[User:Saniakob|Saniakob]] 07:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


:Hi! I happened to see your question about adopting JS Bach, so I replied there that I'd add you, and you can start right away. I also updated the actual page about adopting composers (since it wasn't clear) to encourage people to claim a composer by editing the adoption list to add their own name and feel free to start working on the composer even without admin action. Hope Rob doesn't mind if I chime in here.
As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.


:As for marking requests completed, the way to do that is to edit the individual request entry where it says Requested in curly brackets to change it to Completed, and to add at the bottom a link to the location of the new score. The [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Requests Requests page] has a link at the top that allows you to see the Completed requests versus the ones that are still in Requested status, so you can check the format of a sample completed score to see how the link to the uploaded score is formatted. Hope this helps--feel free to post if you have further questions. Similarly, you can change the status to Pending if you want to indicate that you are taking that request and working on it. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 15:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.


::Thanks for replying, Vaarky, but please don't use [[Template:ItemPost]] or [[Template:Reply]] on this page. Thanks! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 14:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.


== Rossi: Rorate caeli ==
I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.


Hi Rob,
With all best wishes,
I´ve put the latin words to that work, which originally is for instruments. But even in my biggest dictionary I can't find the correct english word for the german 'Textunterlegung'. I've found the verb: to put or set words to a tune. And the substantive? Would you please help me? Thanks and regards, --[[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 23:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


: The translation you want is "text underlay" (two words).  You will find this term used several times at {{CW}}. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 14:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)


Thanks for your answer! --[[User:Christophero Manco|Christophero Manco]] 23:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/ CPDL Forums]? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


== out of curisority, why do you prefer no ItemPost and Reply? ==
== Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly' ==


Just noticed the text at the top of your talk page. Out of curiosity, can you say more about why you prefer people to avoid these templates? Is it aesthetic reasons, or are there other aspects such as page size etc.? Tx. -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 16:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Bob


:It's purely aesthetic :-) For me, using the template is more complicated for new users (and some more seasoned ones) than simply typing their message and signing it in the manner explained above the edit window when editing a talk page. So if it's not used universally, it becomes mildly annoying when reading a discussion which includes a variety of indentations and formatting. I don't believe I'm being draconian in making this request on my talk page alone but perhaps you disagree? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Great score. However there are a few errors


::I completely understand. Just was curious if there were additional considerations besides the aesthetic ones, such as trying to reduce system cycles or filesize. Tx for the further info. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 00:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat
Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat
Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat


== About "Sé de una hermosa rosa" ==
Regards


Thanks for your answer in the song's discussion! Ok, composer is "Traditional". Should I put the link by hand in the "composer's" page? Do you mean this? In other wiki about music which I participate, songs are listed automatically in the corresponding category. About the other question, on the original text, I will answer at Carlos' talk page. --[[User:Mpancorbo|Mpancorbo]] 21:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Ian
:Yes, that's correct, you need to add the composer entry on the composer page manually. In this case, because "Sé de una hermosa rosa" is a translation of another work already available on CPDL, I've merged the entry into [[Jag vet en dejlig rosa (Traditional)]]. Regards --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 18:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


== Happy Birthday! ==
== 'Anthems' ==


Happy Birthday to you, Rob!  At least that is what the forums report today.  Have a good weekend, too. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 14:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Bob,


: Wishing you good things for the coming year, and beyond... -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 02:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I was just contemplating (after editing [[Talk:William Boyce]]) adding a {{CC|Full anthems}} sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in [[:Category:Anthems]]? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


::Thanks guys! I was able to celebrate my birthday in the midst of preparations for a performance of Handel's ''Messiah'' in the Royal Albert Hall, London, as part of the BBC Proms series, available to "listen again" on the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/events/Proms/b00mj2tg/ BBC website], if you feel so inclined. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 17:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
== Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs ==


:::Congratulations Rob, it's a very nice recording. I managed to download it to my computer to listen offline. In case you don't have it yet I can send the whole file to you; just drop me a line. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{carlos}} {{mail}}] 21:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] ([[User talk:Peter Gibson|talk]]) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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Boyce's O praise the lord

Bob

Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?

Jonathan Jonathang 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --Bobnotts talk 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs

Bob As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.

If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?

Peter Gibson 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --Bobnotts talk 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on Carols for Choirs 1 ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? Peter Gibson 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --Bobnotts talk 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on Carols for Choirs 1 that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. Peter Gibson 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --Bobnotts talk 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)

.capx

Hello, is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl? regardas W.D. Ebeling

Tye's "I will exalt"

Bob

I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? Jgoodliffe 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

moving categories?

Hi Bob,

I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? Richard Mix (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a ReplaceText instead). Regards, —Carlos (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? Richard Mix (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. Bobnotts talk 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods

Mr. Nottingham:

I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.

Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5. I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.

Mark Miller

Millermc (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers Bobnotts talk 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

Template:Composer page/preload

Bob, I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me? --IanHaslam 19:23, 2 November 2012‎

Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —Carlos (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)

Bob, Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.IanHaslam (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Links lead to (harmless) spam

It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with. Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. RMD (talk) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Webbe's When winds breathe soft

I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast

In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)
Jamesgibb (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --Bobnotts talk 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne

Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL. They appear in my account thus - 23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current) 23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)

but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H

PS

Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --PeterHarris 12:00, 7 October 2014‎

Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Carlos --Bobnotts talk 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL

Dear Mr. Nottingham, My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.

My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?

I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?

The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.

Thank you so much for your time.

Sincerely,

Cindy Bauchspies DMA (ABD), University of Maryland

Director, Women's Glee Club United States Naval Academy Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road U.S. Naval Academy Annapolis, MD 21402-5086 Tel: (410) 293-2439

Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML

Dear Robert,

I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.

Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.

Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, here.

Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The Freedots project is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by Dancing Dots. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.

Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores on the RNIB's web site

As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.

The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.

I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.

I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.

With all best wishes,

Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)

Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the CPDL Forums? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly'

Hi Bob

Great score. However there are a few errors

Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat

Regards

Ian

'Anthems'

Hi Bob,

I was just contemplating (after editing Talk:William Boyce) adding a Full anthems sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in Category:Anthems? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… Richard Mix (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs

It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? Peter Gibson (talk) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)