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Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a wiki editor or as a score editor/transcriber. You may also contact me by email: robertnottingham6 AT hotmail DOT com (replacing "AT" and "DOT" with "@" and ".") or on by sending me a private message on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose CPDL forums], username: bobnotts.
Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a wiki editor or as a score editor/transcriber. You may also contact me by email: robertnottingham6{{@}}hotmail.com or by sending me a private message on the [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose CPDL forums], username: bobnotts. If you email me, please include "CPDL" somewhere in the subject line to prevent your message being caught by the spam filter.


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== Boyce's O praise the lord ==
 
Bob
 
Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?
 
Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)
:Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
 
== Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs ==
 
Bob
As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the [[Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs]] page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.
 
If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?
 
[[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
:Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
::I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the  CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
:::Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
::::Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on [[Carols for Choirs 1]] that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
:::::I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
 
==.capx==
Hello,
is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl?
regardas W.D. Ebeling
 
== Tye's "I will exalt" ==
 
Bob
 
I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? [[User:Jgoodliffe|Jgoodliffe]] 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)
 
== moving categories? ==
 
Hi Bob,
 
I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)
 
:Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a [[Special:ReplaceText|ReplaceText]] instead). Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
::Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
:::Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)
 
== O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods ==
 
Mr. Nottingham:
 
I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.
 
Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5.
I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.
 
Mark Miller
 
[[User:Millermc|Millermc]] ([[User talk:Millermc|talk]]) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)
:Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers [[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)
 
== Template:Composer page/preload ==
Bob,
I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me?
--[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] 19:23, 2 November 2012‎
 
:Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)
 
Bob,
Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.[[User:IanHaslam|IanHaslam]] ([[User talk:IanHaslam|talk]]) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 
== Links lead to (harmless) spam ==
 
It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with.
Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. [[User:RMD|RMD]] ([[User talk:RMD|talk]]) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 
== Webbe's ''When winds breathe soft'' ==
I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.<br>
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe<br>
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger<br>
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being ''A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves'' <br>
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging <br>
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur<br>
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.<br>
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast<br>
 
In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 
:Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 
== To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne ==
 
Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL.  They appear in my account thus -
23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current)
23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)
 
but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H


== thanks for Epitaph on a Doormouse! ==
PS


Thanks for doing an edition of Epitaph on a Doormouse. We sang it this week with our sight-singing group, and it's a sweet piece. Some of the singers were familiar with an earlier, out-of-print edition were grateful to have an edition that is easier to read. [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 03:23, 13 September 2008 (PDT)
Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --[[user:PeterHarris|PeterHarris]] 12:00, 7 October 2014‎
:No problem - it's quite harmless isn't it? Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 03:34, 13 September 2008 (PDT)


== Modification of the (french) submission guide ==
:Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Bob,
::Thanks, Carlos --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Two or three hours ago, someone modified the [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Score_submission_guide_(French) (french) score submission guide], introducing a paragraph specifying that a french person isn't allowed to transfer copyright to CPDL.
You can see that modification at the [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges recent changes page]. It should be incorrect to have texts changing too much comparing between languages.
Regards,
[[User:Claude T|Claude]] 22:02, 24 September 2008 (PDT)
:Hi Claude. I don't know anything about French copyright law but I've posted a message on [{{MediaWiki:Discussions-url}}/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4179 the forums] which will hopefully get a response. Thanks for flagging this up. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:27, 24 September 2008 (PDT)


::Honestly speaking, I don't think that any law in a democratic country may limit the freedom of the owner of intellectual property rights to choose the type of copyright license he/she prefers. If you own the property rights of a certain work, you can decide what is allowed and what is not, what is permitted for free and what is not. It's your property, you decide. So, it sounds very strange to me that in France an author cannot choose the CPDL license to copyright his/her works. The CPDL copyright license is just a license - intellectual property always remains with the author. Perhaps the person who added such a note thought that CPDL owns the intellectual property rights for the works hosted at CPDL, but this is wrong. Anyway, I've submitted my considerations to a French guy with significant experience in the field, let's see what's his opinion. --[[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 07:04, 25 September 2008 (PDT)
== Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL ==


== Which User talk page is correct for Raf? ==


Hi Rob,  I see you copied messages on User talk:Admin to User talk:Rafael Ornes and put a redirect on the former to the latter. But shouldn't it be the other way around, since User:Admin is Raf's login ID?  I thought it was preferable to keep the User talk:<LoginID> as ones main talk page, so that one gets informed when messages are left there.  For example, User talk:Robert Nottingham redirects to User talk:Bobnotts, etc. Has the protocol changed? -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Nottingham,
:Hi Chuck. Both accounts "Admin" and "Rafael Ornes" are actually registered (check out the contributions for [[Special:Contributions/Rafael_Ornes|"Rafael Ornes"]] and [[Special:Contributions/Admin|"Admin"]], though you're right that Raf only seems to have used the former account in 2006. I seem to recall him using this account more frequently... perhaps lost in the crash last year? In any case, yes, that's generally what we've done here (have the login ID as the talk) but I think this should be an exception: having "Rafael Ornes" as both the User: and User talk: sections means that new users are less likely to confuse his talk page for an admin forum or a place to post admin related queries. As both accounts are registered, he should receive a notification if User talk:Rafael Ornes or User talk:Admin are modified. I hope that makes sense! Do you agree? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 15:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.


:: Yes, I see what you mean, Rob.  I was aware that Raf was registered under both usernames but that the one account was used only for a period od 19 days in August 2006. Let's hope that users will indeed be less confused. -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?


==A la nanita nana==
I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?


Please note that it is, on current websites (except the one cited by you), described as traditional (Spanish or whatever), and therefore in the public domain. My score posting pre-dated your information by at least a couple of years, and this notice (December 2006) seems to be the first anyone has heard of Celi's authorship. Indeed, the attribution to Celi seems to have escaped everyone - perhaps even The Cheetah Girls and Howard Goodall (his arrangement on a current CD describes the carol as 'Traditional Spanish'). And after The Cheetah Girls everyone seems to have it as a ring tone. You really must be careful of your own tone, as I remarked in my e-mail to you; though if Celi is indeed the composer (as opposed to arranger) then of course he should be acknowledged as such and I would be the last to wish to infringe his copyright. But this infringement, if it is one, is small fry in comparison with the massive infringements (if they are such) on the internet and airwaves as a whole. Perhaps you should turn your attention to them rather than the very small field that is the CPDL website. <small>—The preceding [[ChoralWiki:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Douglasbrooksd|Douglasbrooksd]] ([[User talk:Douglasbrooksd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Douglasbrooksd|contribs]]) on 14:10, 22 October 2008.</small>
The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.
:I've replied by email to the points you've made here, in your message on [[A la nanita nana (Douglas Brooks-Davies)]] and in your email. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


== entries for scores in composer page ==
Thank you so much for your time.


Bob
Sincerely,
 
Cindy Bauchspies
DMA (ABD), University of Maryland
 
Director, Women's Glee Club
United States Naval Academy
Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road
U.S. Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD 21402-5086
Tel: (410) 293-2439
 
== Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML ==
 
Dear Robert,
 
I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.
 
Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.


There seems to be a new convention (not covered in your score submission guide) for entries in the composer page (as in {filepath:Valls-pu.pdf}}) but when I try to use the convention the links to the score are not correctly displayed, so I continue to use the old convention and every time I make a new entry it has to be corrected. Can you explain the new convention? [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] 12:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, [http://www.ukaaf.org/guidancedocuments/pdf/g009/finish here].


: Could it be that you are mistyping the entry (as above, which is missing a left "{")?  The complete correct code for the above link to a PDF is as follows:
Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The [http://delysid.org/freedots.html Freedots project] is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the [http://standalone.music4vip.org/en/musicxml_to_bmml/conversion_step_1 VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter] is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by [http://www.dancingdots.com Dancing Dots]. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.
: <pre>[{{filepath:Valls-pu.pdf}} {{pdf}}]</pre>
: -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 13:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


::Hi Jonathan. I've just fixed [[Loquebar de testimoniis (Heinrich Isaac)]]. Have a look at the code - does it make sense? Using the filepath template is mainly a temporary measure to prevent a big mixup when we move back to cpdl.org which is why it doesn't appear in the score submission guide. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores [http://www.rnib.org.uk/cy/information-everyday-living-home-and-leisure-music-reading-music-accessible-formats/talking-scores on the RNIB's web site]


== French texts request and Text in French requests ==
As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.


On the [[ChoralWiki:French_text_requests|French texts requests]] page, we have no more request but on the [http://choralwiki.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Text_and_translations_requests&from=L Texts request] page we have many works in French, as 'La petite fille aux allumettes'.
The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.
I can't figure out how to make some work-in-French-showing-no-text to appear on the French text requests page. Thanks in advance. - [[User:Claude T|Claude]] 09:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Claude. The reason that [[La petite fille aux allumettes (Ludovic Sardain)]] and many other score pages don't appear on [[ChoralWiki:French text requests]] is because they have not been categorised as [[:Category:Works in French|Works in French]]. The wiki only knows that they are in French because [[Template:Language]] is used to tell it. As an example, I will edit "La petite fille aux allumettes" to use the template and it will appear in [[ChoralWiki:French text requests]]. It may be possible in the future for someone with access to the database to change all the "Language" lines on all score pages to use the new template but until that time, it would be a very labourious process to change each one by hand. I hope this answers your question. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Done, with your explanation, thanks : 32 works now appear also on the French text requests list. It's now your turn with the Latin or/and English language template ! - [[User:Claude T|Claude]] 12:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC) (Just kidding;-)
:::Ha ha! The clever people who have run the upgrade of the site (Max and Carlos) are looking into ways that this process might be automated so that, hopefully, things like the "language" line won't need to be updated manually. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 15:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


== Mysterious score ==
I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.
Hi Bob, I posted a little [[CPDL Cantata (Joachim Kelecom)|something]] yesterday evening, and saw it correctly displayed in the recent score list on the main page.  This morning, it seems to have disappeared, although the 26th is still listed.  Any thoughts?  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 09:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Joachim. It appears when I view the Main Page... --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::I swear it didn't 15 mins ago.  And now it does, indeed.  Strrrrrrrrrrrrrange. [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 09:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::"Cache effect", I guess. As far as I understood, if a cached version of a page exists and you are not logged-in, the cached version is shown; if you are logged-in, the "real page" is shown regardless the contents of the cache. So, you can occasionally see the same page differently depending whether you are logged-in or not, until the cached page is refreshed with the latest modifications applied to the real page. --[[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 10:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


== Archived pages ==
I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.


Hi Rob, only today I noticed [[:Category:Archived deletion discussions|this archiving system]], it's indeed interesting to have these talks kept for future reference. I was just imagining if it wouldn't be better if these pages belonged to a different namespace. The advantages would be that they would not be listed in the standard Search, and having a specific namespace for them makes it easier to find the pages, thus making the use of a category for them unnecessary. See for example these pages on the wikinew clone that were moved to a new namespace called "Archived": [http://www.cpdl.org/wikinew/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&namespace=102]<br>
With all best wishes,
After the move, the namespace can be renamed to any other name (as for instance the current "DelArchive") and all pages will be moved together automatically, just like what has happened when the namespace "Requests" was renamed to "Request". What about it? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{SERVER}}/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Carlos {{filepath:Email.gif}}] 19:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


: Jumping in here, since I set up the Delete system, including the DelArchive.  Yes, it would be nice to have a separate namespace for the archived deletion discussions.  I suppose DelArchive: is as good a name as any (and won't require changing all those archives! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 22:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)


::Hi, I've just created the namespace "Archived" and its corresponding 'talk' namespace, and moved all pages in [[:Category:Archived deletion discussions]] in there. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [http://choralwiki.net/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Carlos {{filepath:Email.gif}}] 00:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/ CPDL Forums]? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


== New works & Text requests ==
== Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly' ==
Hi Rob, I've recently dug into the Latin text requests.  It's an uphill battle, but I'm hoping to get there one day.  As I usually encounter fairly short texts, I was wondering if the new Add Works form (if it's ever to be implemented) might contain a lyrics field, enabling contributors to add the text without having to make an additional edit to the works page - perhaps not all contributors feel 'safe' enough to edit pages, which might explain why so many of them don't contain lyrics.  Even if only a small number of contributors were to use the lyrics field on the form, it would still mean some considerable time saving. Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 15:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


:Hi Joachim. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm afraid that I've not made any progress recently with the new add works form with Arie Fokkens. Part of the reason that I stopped was that lots of new templates were being implemented so I thought I'd let things settle down. Meanwhile, Carlos has been able to access and change the current add works form which may mean that we simply alter that rather than create a new one. I'll ask him if it would be possible to add a box for text & translation(s). --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Bob


== Saving Scores from Cpdl.org ==
Great score. However there are a few errors


Hello Bobnotts:
Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat
Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat
Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat


Greetings to you and yours. I have a particular problem regarding downlaoding scores. I downloaded Adobe Reader 9 to my computer, but when I try to open a score (eg. Father in Heav'n-Flemming), my computer keeps refering to Adobe 4, so I cannot see the score. Can i save the score without opening it, Then reopen in Adobe 9, so I can print the score. By the way, my Operating Systen is Windows Vista. Thank you for any information <small>—The preceding [[ChoralWiki:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Njemdi|Njemdi]] ([[User talk:Njemdi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Njemdi|contribs]]) on 18:41, 14 November 2008.</small>
Regards


: Hi Njemdi, please remember to sign your remarks by adding 4 "tilde" symbols, or pressing the equivalent signature button on the top of the page, otherwise nobody knows who you are. It seems that Rob (a.k.a. Bobnotts) is very busy with thousands of text replacements (he has found a new toy...). To save the score without opening it, right-click on the pdf icon and then select "save as...". I did it, and the file opened in Acrobat Reader 9 without any problems. I guess you have two versions of Adobe Acrobat installed, and this it may be rather tricky, especially if you installed an older version after having installed a newer one. I would suggest to re-install Acrobat 9. Max a.k.a. [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 23:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Ian


::Njemdi, I'd try simply uninstalling all the versions of Acrobat Reader you have installed then reinstall the latest version. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 13:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
== 'Anthems' ==


== Liturgical music ==
Hi Bob,
Hi Rob,
I noticed your changes to [[Audit in evangelio (Tommaso Graziani)|Audit in evangelio]].  The concept of 'liturgical music' is of course so very vague it is pretty much asking for a discussion.  I've always interpreted 'motet' to be mass repertoire, whereas I've labelled pieces such as this one, for want of the term 'responsory' in the drop-down menu, as 'liturgical music'.  Much as I understand the ambiguity of those terms, I'd like to know if there's any kind of consensus as to the use of either term.  Cordially, [[User:Jkelecom|joachim]] 14:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Joachim. Straight after doing that, I wondered whether I should just revert my edit as it occurred to me that I didn't really know what liturgical music is on CPDL. The sacred genres are an area of CPDL that needs some attention IMO. Anyway, I started a [http://choralwiki.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4284 thread on the forums] which I hope you'll be interested to contribute to. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 15:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


== [[User talk:MistyMountain]] ==
I was just contemplating (after editing [[Talk:William Boyce]]) adding a {{CC|Full anthems}} sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in [[:Category:Anthems]]? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi Rob, I noticed that you deleted Dedman's page per request. But what about his talk page? User:MistyMountain will exist "forever" on the system, and who knows, in the future he may decide to collaborate with CPDL in other ways, so I'm of the opinion that talk pages of ''registered users'' should always be kept. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [http://choralwiki.net/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Carlos {{filepath:Email.gif}}] 16:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
== Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs ==
:Fair enough. I've restored it. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


== Byrd Mass for 4 in F minor ==
It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? [[User:Peter Gibson|Peter Gibson]] ([[User talk:Peter Gibson|talk]]) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Rob,<br>
Done the Byrd 4-parter down in the good old Fellowesian key of F minor.  Had a young hotshot singer asking about the version down a 4th, so though I would do the 2 together.  --[[User:DaveF|DaveF]] 21:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 18:06, 14 December 2019

Archives


Boyce's O praise the lord

Bob

Apologies but I ended up with the wrong composer for this work. Should be Boyce not Duron. I cant seem to correct. Will you please?

Jonathan Jonathang 16:56, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

Seems like this has already been done, Jonathan. For future reference, you can use the "move" command on the page to correct the page title and take the code from the Duron page and put it on the Boyce page instead (for example). --Bobnotts talk 08:42, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs

Bob As I had a spare 5 minutes (!) I had a play with the Ash Wednesday to Easter for Choirs page, hopefully fulfilling your request for reformatting of Dec 2007.

If the work is to standard do I remove the Cleanup section, or will you beat me to it?

Peter Gibson 17:25, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Oh that's great Peter, thanks. It's one of those pages I started and then didn't have time to finish off - very bad of me! I've made a couple of small alterations and removed the cleanup note. Keep up the good work! --Bobnotts talk 06:41, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
I thought you would get there first! I have just had a look at the rest of the CfC pages; they look as if they need a similar treatment, but I can see a very good case for spreading the sortable table approach (as on Carols for Choirs 1 ]. Would that idea need to be floated on the forums (fora?) first, or could I just go ahead as and when time allows (the coding change looks to be fairly trivial from an end-user editing point of view)? Peter Gibson 11:06, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Ah I hadn't see the CFC1 page. No particular need to discuss such a change in the table coding. It's fairly trivial and the advantages of having the sortable table are considerable. By all means, alter the existing pages to make use of this. If someone objects, we can have the discussion at that stage. --Bobnotts talk 05:41, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
Eating lunch beside a computer has its advantages: the sortable table is spreading! On a slightly different, but related matter, there is a merge template on Carols for Choirs 1 that appears to be broken, as it points to a page that does not exist. That does tend to snarl up any attempt at participating (or even starting) the discussion. Peter Gibson 13:05, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
I've fixed the link to the discussion page so that should work for you now. Please note that not many people see and respond to individual discussion on a publication page such as this so I would suggest you post your comments there, and if you don't receive any response in, say, a week, post on the forums as well. --Bobnotts talk 16:22, 26 March 2012 (CDT)

.capx

Hello, is it possible to implement the latest format of capella files(*.capx) in cpdl? regardas W.D. Ebeling

Tye's "I will exalt"

Bob

I have just uploaded a corrected version of this, but it has not overwritten the old version, I now realise this is because my current log in is different from the one I used in 2006 and when I try to use the old log in I cant use the file name. How can this be corrected? Jgoodliffe 01:49, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

moving categories?

Hi Bob,

I was considering moving Category:Marriage to Category:Wedding which seemed more precise, but of course there's no "move" choice on the dropdown menu for category pages. Is there another way to accomplish this without starting a new page from scratch? Richard Mix (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Richard, perhaps I can give you a more thorough reply from the technical point of view: although not allowed by the wiki, I've tweaked the MediaWiki code a couple of years ago and category move worked fine for a while (until our wiki was upgraded). It can still be done if I rename the page directly in the database. But no matter which solution is chosen, renaming a category does not automatically make the categorized pages to be listed under the new name. They have to be changed one by one (or by running a ReplaceText instead). Regards, —Carlos (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Thanks Carlos; I think I can manage the Replace text. Before proceeding, does the proposed move seem a good idea to you, Bob? Richard Mix (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (CDT)
Hi Richard. For me: yes. For others: maybe. I'd raise it on the forums and see what you get back. Bobnotts talk 16:26, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

O Most Merciful! O Most Bountiful! R. Heber/C. Woods

Mr. Nottingham:

I saw your post of Charles Woods' setting of this Reginald Heber hymn. I enjoyed seeing the score and hearing the midi of it.

Perhaps you are already aware of the setting found in the New English Hymnal, Canterbury Press, Norwich, hymn #301 (p. 663). It was recently recorded by Priory Records as part of their 23-vol. CD set, The Complete New English Hymnal, PRCD720, track 5. I just wanted to bring this to your attention because, IMHO, it's a very beautiful setting.

Mark Miller

Millermc (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2012 (CDT)

Hi Mark. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a listen when I get chance. Cheers Bobnotts talk 16:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

Template:Composer page/preload

Bob, I made a boob in creating a composer page for Alfred J Caldicott. The Template:Composer page/preload has appeared in the 1842 birth and 1897 death pages. Can you remove this for me? --IanHaslam 19:23, 2 November 2012‎

Hi Ian, no problem, it's already fixed. Please remember to sign your messages with a sequence of four tildes at the end. Thank you. —Carlos (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (CDT)

Bob, Can something be done about the requests page. It seems to be clogged with requests which have been completed but have not been removed. Is it also possible to date requests as some of them are now quite a few years old and I suspect the need has gone away. Consequently new requirements which could have an immediate use will never get picked up in time. As a contributor I would be happy to prioritise a score, if it will be of use to somebody.IanHaslam (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Links lead to (harmless) spam

It appears that links to Frank Nordbergs postings have been tampered with. Otherwise (and more importantly!) thanks for all your work and have a very Merry Christmas. RMD (talk) 09:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Webbe's When winds breathe soft

I've noticed a few minor typos in you edition of this.
Bar 5: Alto - beathe for breathe
Bar 22: Alto - stonger for stronger
Bars 22-25: All parts - wave should be waves, the sense being A stronger gale awakes the troubled waves
Bar 60: Tenor I - raing for raging
Bar 75: Tenor I - missing slur
Bar 98: Alto - comma should be after say, for consistency.
Bar 101: Bass - brest for breast

In addition, the British Minstrel version of this piece has a trill on T1 stur- in bar 68, but you may well have worked from another version, (if you can still remember what you were doing in 2006!)
Jamesgibb (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi James. Thanks very much for the corrections! Rather disappointed in myself for not proofing better... I'll fix those soon. Have you performed the piece recently? (Well - not recently because your message is from June but you know what I mean!) --Bobnotts talk 09:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne

Hi, I don't know if you can help but back in June I created a transposed version of the above song (in Gmaj) and submitted it two CPDL. They appear in my account thus - 23:07, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small - Full Score.pdf ‎ (current) 23:05, 10 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . N File:To Gratiana Dancing and Singing Gmaj small.sib ‎ (current)

but they are not on the main site. Is there a reason? Thanks Peter H

PS

Although I appear to be logged in, at least enough for me to be able to write this message, the CPDL site refuses to recognise either my username or my email address, in spite of the fact that I have received eMails from CPDL. --PeterHarris 12:00, 7 October 2014‎

Rob, this has been sorted out by me. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 17:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Carlos --Bobnotts talk 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Writing a dissertation focusing on CPDL

Dear Mr. Nottingham, My name is Cindy Bauchspies and I am currently a doctoral candidate in Choral Conducting at the University of Maryland, hoping to finish this semester. The focus of my dissertation project will be the Choral Public Domain Library (cpdl.org)l as a valuable and underutilized resource for high school choral conductors, with the goal of creating an anthology (of 10-20 pieces) of the best editions from the cpdl site that are "must haves" for any excellent high school choral program.

My question for you is how the administrators are selected for cpdl? Are there certain requirements (I noticed all of them have editions on the site)? Are there certain credentials required? It looks like there are currently 11 administrators (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/ChoralWiki:Administrators), and they are all volunteers, correct? I have read several of the discussion on the forum site and am impressed with how quickly and efficiently questions are answered. How is that managed?

I would like to include a chapter that answers all of these questions (and other questions that the site answers). My goal with this chapter is to represent cpdl as accurately and succinctly as possible. To that end, is there an administrator who might be willing to read this chapter once it is in rough draft form to make sure all the information is correct?

The Choral Public Domain Library s an amazing resource and a treasure trove of some of the greatest choral music ever written (and for FREE!) , and it is my hope that this dissertation will be an aid to those high school choral educators who want to use the site more, but may find it overwhelming at first.

Thank you so much for your time.

Sincerely,

Cindy Bauchspies DMA (ABD), University of Maryland

Director, Women's Glee Club United States Naval Academy Alumni Hall, 675 Decatur Road U.S. Naval Academy Annapolis, MD 21402-5086 Tel: (410) 293-2439

Increasing universal access to CPDL via MusicXML

Dear Robert,

I'm writing you to ask about CPDL's policy on MusicXML files. I believe that contributors to CPDL should be strongly encouraged to make their music available in MusicXML format, for reasons of universal access for blind and visually impaired people who require the use of assistive devices to consume music notation.

Depending on their level of visual impairment, users may require the use of Modified Stave Notation (which you can think of in general terms as "large print music", though there are specific guidelines about how MSN should be prepared, per the UK Association for Accessible Formats), braille music, and talking scores.

Modified Stave Notation is generally tailored for an individual user, since users with partial sight have a wide variety of impairments, and there is no "one size fits all" approach for MSN. Typically MSN is produced by entering the music into one of the existing scoring programs, modified by way of importing a house style or set of libraries that modify many parameters of the music's appearance (stave line thickness, stem thickness, stave size, rhythm dot size, choice of text fonts, choice of paper size, etc. etc.), and then printed out. Due to the unique needs of each user, it is very important that a user should be able to access the music in an interchangeable representation, so that it can be opened in the scoring application available to them, and modified to meet their needs. You can read more about MSN in the UKAAF publication that describes the format as an accessible PDF, here.

Braille music is made using a variety of tools, to lesser or greater degrees of success. The Freedots project is an Open Source MusicXML to braille tool, while the VIP MusicXML to BMML online converter is one outcome of an EU-funded research project and is free to use. Probably the most successful braille music toolset is to open music in Lime and then send it to Goodfeel, a commercial toolset developed by Dancing Dots. If no interchangeable source music is available, then the music must first be input into Lime or another scoring application; given the poor state of accessibility in most scoring software, this generally requires the assistance of a sighted person, and thus immediately reduces access to this music.

Talking scores are useful for people with severe enough visual impairment that MSN is not useful for them, but for whom learning braille music is difficult or impossible, especially for people who lose their sight later in life. No matter your age, learning braille is a daunting challenge. only around half of all blind people can read literary braille, and a smaller proportion still can read the music braille code. UKAAF is working on a new set of guidelines to specify a system for the automatic, computerised transcription of music notation into an accessible verbal description that can be read by assistive technologies such as screen readers and Voice Over on iOS devices. In the past, talking scores have been produced as "scores on tape", transcribed by a sighted person onto an audio cassette. The RNIB, for example, has produced around two dozen talking scores on tape, which are available to borrow from their Music Advisory Service, but the amount of labour required to produce each one is so large that the process of creating them does not scale. Again, a blind person cannot reasonably produce a talking score on his or her own, but if the music is available in an interchangeable format such as MusicXML, then that person can use a software tool to produce a talking score without sighted assistance. You can find some information about the concept behind talking scores on the RNIB's web site

As well as being part of Steinberg's London-based team working on a new commercial scoring application, I am part of the UKAAF's Music Subject Area team, and it is through that role that I am currently focused on the production of guidelines for talking scores, and prototype software that embodies these rules. There are other free software projects ongoing, particularly from the developers of MuseScore (who have beefed up their application's capabilities for producing MSN; are working to make the application itself more accessible to screen readers; are trying to resuscitate the Freedots project and host it online; and are also working on a web service that will allow a PDF to be uploaded to a hosted OMR engine – based on Audiveris – and produce a MusicXML file on demand), that are working to increase universal access to music notation.

The single technology that links all of these efforts is MusicXML. For all of its imperfections, it is the de facto standard for the interchange of symbolic music notation information. Most of the applications used by contributors to CPDL are capable of exporting MusicXML files. Those contributors who already share their binary source files in Sibelius, Finale, or whatever other proprietary formats should be strongly encouraged to create MusicXML versions of those pieces and to upload those as well.

I would also encourage you to include a simple means of searching for scores uploaded in MusicXML format via your advanced search features, to help users in need of accessible formats find them more quickly.

I welcome your feedback, and would love to know what further steps I might take, if any, to push for positive change in further opening up the incredible resource that is CPDL to visually impaired musicians.

With all best wishes,

Daniel Spreadbury (dspreadbury)

Hi Daniel. It sounds like a good format for inclusivity. I'm not that closely involved in CPDL's management these days. May I suggest you present your suggestions to a wider audience via the CPDL Forums? Many more people will see your message and you'll be able to engage in discussion with them all. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 22:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Errors in Elgar's 'How Calmly'

Hi Bob

Great score. However there are a few errors

Bar 9, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat Bar 37, Piano lower 3rd note bass clef, C should be an E flat Bar 45, Tenor 4th note should be a B natural not flat

Regards

Ian

'Anthems'

Hi Bob,

I was just contemplating (after editing Talk:William Boyce) adding a Full anthems sub-category and wonder if you have a rationale (or even second thoughts) about listing subcategorized works in Category:Anthems? Handel I think would remain in parent category, and someone might figure out what 'anthem' translates from Russian… Richard Mix (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Epiphany to All Saints for Choirs

It's only taken 12 years, but I've finally inserted a sortable table for the Carol book contents, and deleted the Cleanup tag! How long will it take to clean up all the red-linked people I've added in the process? Peter Gibson (talk) 18:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)