https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&feed=atom&action=historyTemplate talk:ScoreError - Revision history2024-03-29T00:50:58ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.4https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&diff=271617&oldid=prevCarlos: /* Category:Pages with (possible) Score errors */2011-02-12T13:24:55Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Category:Pages with (possible) Score errors</span></span></p>
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</table>Carloshttps://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&diff=271550&oldid=prevRichard Mix: /* Category:Pages with (possible) Score errors */ new section2011-02-12T06:52:53Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Category:Pages with (possible) Score errors: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Richard Mixhttps://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&diff=232383&oldid=prevCHGiffen: /* Documentation */ documentation added to the template page2010-03-17T15:17:37Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Documentation: </span> documentation added to the template page</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Chuck, if you have a look in [[ChoralWiki:Editions with score errors|this newly created page]] you will understand the reason why I made the change to the template: of 194 editions with errors, in only 20 of them (10%) did the person decide to add a comment to the talk page (or no comment at all). In all other 174 cases the error report was added as a parameter to the template itself. In all these, a red link to the talk page was being added without need. I agree that the solution I found may not have been the most appropriate; what do you think of using '''#ifexist''' instead to display the link only when something has been added to the talk page? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">carlos</del>}} {{mail}}] 16:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Chuck, if you have a look in [[ChoralWiki:Editions with score errors|this newly created page]] you will understand the reason why I made the change to the template: of 194 editions with errors, in only 20 of them (10%) did the person decide to add a comment to the talk page (or no comment at all). In all other 174 cases the error report was added as a parameter to the template itself. In all these, a red link to the talk page was being added without need. I agree that the solution I found may not have been the most appropriate; what do you think of using '''#ifexist''' instead to display the link only when something has been added to the talk page? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">fullurl:User talk:Carlos</ins>}} {{mail}}] 16:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Hi Robert, I sincerely don't know what's the best alternative in this case. More than one contributor has been irritated to discover that their editions had been reported as having "errors" that were in fact just differences between printed editions. So, the text of the template was purposely changed in order not to sound so conclusive. Can you think of a better way to deal with this situation? I'd be glad to hear other suggestions. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">carlos</del>}} {{mail}}] 23:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Hi Robert, I sincerely don't know what's the best alternative in this case. More than one contributor has been irritated to discover that their editions had been reported as having "errors" that were in fact just differences between printed editions. So, the text of the template was purposely changed in order not to sound so conclusive. Can you think of a better way to deal with this situation? I'd be glad to hear other suggestions. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">fullurl:User talk:Carlos</ins>}} {{mail}}] 23:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Bobnottshttps://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&diff=232343&oldid=prevRichard Mix: /* Documentation */ new section2010-03-17T03:48:22Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Documentation: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Jkelecomhttps://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&diff=216556&oldid=prevChoralia: Editions without errors2009-08-27T06:13:50Z<p>Editions without errors</p>
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</table>Choraliahttps://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&diff=216531&oldid=prevCHGiffen: /* Possible errors if not? */ suggestion2009-08-26T20:05:01Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Possible errors if not?: </span> suggestion</span></p>
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</table>CHGiffenhttps://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:ScoreError&diff=216506&oldid=prevRobert Urmann: /* Possible errors if not? */ reply2009-08-26T06:23:29Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Possible errors if not?: </span> reply</span></p>
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