Talk:Johannespassion, BWV 245 (Johann Sebastian Bach): Difference between revisions

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How to sort individual movements of ''Johannes-Passion?'' To stay up-to-date I’d suggest NBA numbering (with BWV sub-number parenthesized). As an example, I recently submitted the final chorale ‘Ach Herr, laß dein lieb Engelein’ which would read: 40&nbsp;(68) [NBA#&nbsp;(BWV#)]. I didn’t want to mess up things so I kept existing BWV ordering. An advantage of sorting by NBA# would be to easily include the movements of Bach’s second edition (1725) indicated by supset roman numerals, e.g. 1<sup>II</sup> or 40<sup>II</sup>. [[User:Robert Urmann|—Robert Urmann]] 01:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
How to sort individual movements of ''Johannes-Passion?'' To stay up-to-date I’d suggest NBA numbering (with BWV sub-number parenthesized). As an example, I recently submitted the final chorale ‘Ach Herr, laß dein lieb Engelein’ which would read: 40&nbsp;(68) [NBA#&nbsp;(BWV#)]. I didn’t want to mess up things so I kept existing BWV ordering. An advantage of sorting by NBA# would be to easily include the movements of Bach’s second edition (1725) indicated by supset roman numerals, e.g. 1<sup>II</sup> or 40<sup>II</sup>. [[User:Robert Urmann|—Robert Urmann]] 01:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
== Possible source for translation ==
Check out http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Texts/BWV245-Eng3.htm and if that translator agrees to your request, you'll have a perfect serviceable translation to place on choralwiki!

Revision as of 04:11, 19 October 2009

In 'General information' this is marked 'a cappella'. Bach's St John Passion is, of course, accompanied by full orchestra. It is misleading to describe this work as 'a cappella' just because no orchestral parts are provided in the CPDL contributions. (The individual files sometimes make it clear that there's a lot more than the chorus parts contributed.)

(I thought it might be an unaccompanied setting I had not heard of).

Marghek 08:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

You are absolutely right! To my knowledge it’s CPDL’s policy to give the original voicing and instrumentation—and that’s not a cappella in this case. Don’t worry—there is no proven unaccompanied setting by JSB himself. I’ll add Bach’s orchestra setup (one should say: baroque orchestra for it’s not equal to modern ‘full’ orchestras) according to the NBA. By touching this, see another problem stated below. —Robert Urmann 00:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Numbering: conventional BWV or latest NBA?

How to sort individual movements of Johannes-Passion? To stay up-to-date I’d suggest NBA numbering (with BWV sub-number parenthesized). As an example, I recently submitted the final chorale ‘Ach Herr, laß dein lieb Engelein’ which would read: 40 (68) [NBA# (BWV#)]. I didn’t want to mess up things so I kept existing BWV ordering. An advantage of sorting by NBA# would be to easily include the movements of Bach’s second edition (1725) indicated by supset roman numerals, e.g. 1II or 40II. —Robert Urmann 01:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Possible source for translation

Check out http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Texts/BWV245-Eng3.htm and if that translator agrees to your request, you'll have a perfect serviceable translation to place on choralwiki!