Talk:Requiem, KV 626 (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)

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Errors in Paco Marmol and Manolo Casaus's editions

PLEASE NOTE THAT: some of those errors I reported are only mistakes that must be corrected (and I put them in bold); others could have just been taken from particular editions of the Requiem that rearranged a little the lyrics. In my opinion CPDL, for phylological (and eventually copyright, if those editions are recent) reasons should have the Requiem lyrics as Mozart wrote them in the manuscript.

But probably the best choice is to just file the "corrected" Kyrie - introitus (and eventually the Confutatis) as a new version.

PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT: I could (and would like to) take care of this new version (and do the "not bolded" modifications) if someone could convert Encore files to one of the following formats: Lilypond, MusicXML, Finale, and send them to me: toobaz [at] email [dot] it.

PLEASE FINALLY NOTE THAT: there is another error in Kyrie, measure 70: a bemol is missing on altos' last note (an E). However, I already wrote to Paco Marmol describing this particular error, and maybe he'll already have corrected it when you read this.

--Toobaz 04:39, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Furthermore, a comparison of vocal parts has been performed between this CPDL edition and other three editions: Peters Nr. 76 [PET]; Bärenreiter BA 4538 [BÄR]; and the Neue Mozart-Ausgabe [NMA] available on-line at the Mozarteum web site. Text in italics hereinbelow provide information about the results of such a comparison. Generally speaking, the CPDL edition appears closer to [PET], while [BÄR] and [NMA] appear closer to the original manuscript. Further details about the differences between [PET] and [BÄR] can be found on the "CMS Catalogue", "VS Catalogue", or "mp3 Catalogue" pages of the Choralia web site, where choir training aids compliant with such editions are available.

--Choralia 05:00, 3 September 2007 (PDT)

Here are some direct links to Choralia's material related to this work. — JimDeLaHunt 00:35, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


Kyrie - introitus

  • In measure 12, altos should say "mi-ne-do-na-e-e", instead it is written "mi-ne-do-na-do-na". Note that the A should have "legato" with the one in measure 13. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • In measure 35, altos should say "do-o-o-o-na-a-a-a", instead it is written "do-o-o-o-o-o-na-a". The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Same applies for sopranos in measure 36. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • In measure 56, tenors should start "i" one eight before than it is written (it should last 2 eights, not 1). The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Same applies for sopranos in measure 59. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Same applies for sopranos in measure 82. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Same applies for bassos in measure 83. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Same applies for tenors in measure 83. Probably this is measure 84 rather than 83. If so, the same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Same applies for altos in measure 85. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Same applies for sopranos in measure 86. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • In measure 75 (last note) and in the first 3 eights of 76, bassos should keep singing "e", not repeat "i-son-e-le". The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • In measure 65, altos should start the "Ky" one eight after (and note should durate 2 instead of 3 eights). [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • Alto, measure 70: the last note should be E flat rather than E natural. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • Alto, measure 88 - 89: [BÄR] and [NMA] divide the sound "lei" into two syllables: "le" on the last note of measure 88, and "i" on the first note of measure 89.


Dies iraæ

  • Bass, measure 6: [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree that the last note should be C natural, not sharp. This not evident from the CPDL score.


Rex tremendæ

  • In measure 13, second eight, piano's left hand has a "A-G" chord: instead it should be "G-G" (an octave).
  • In measure 18, fourth eight, piano's left hand: the natural sign on E is OK, but there should also be a sharp on C.
  • Alto, measure 12: the second note is F also on [PET], while it is C on [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • Tenor, measure 22: the only note in the measure is F also on [PET], while it is D on [BÄR] and [NMA].


Confutatis

  • In measure 5, the tenors' 4th note (a D) should have a sharp. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • In measure 35, all notes are right but all notations are wrong: bassos should have Db, not C# (and it applies even in measure 34); tenors should have Cb - Gbb, not G - A; altos should have F - Gb, not E# - F#; sopranos should have Ab - Gb, not G# - F#. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.

--Toobaz 04:39, 22 January 2007 (PST)


Lacrymosa

  • The treble key of the tenor staff is not transposed - the whole part should be sung one octave lower. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • Soprano, measure 18: the third note should be D rather than E. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • In measure 14, bassos' last note whould be, as for the other section, without dot (and a 1/8 pause should be added). The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • In measure 26, altos has wrong lyrics: it should repeat "do-na-e-is", and then start "re" at the first note of measure 27. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.


Domine

  • In measure 18, tenors: last note is E, it should be F [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] disagree with this correction: this note should be E natural. But the urtext fragment available on cpdl agrees --Toobaz 22:28, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
  • In measure 21, there should be a big "M" to indicate a new "part" (this is obviously not Mozart's work, but there are L and N, with no M in the middle!) [PET] shows a "M" at the beginning of measure 21.
  • In measure 43, altos: the tempo is 1/4+1/8, 1/16, 1/16, it should be 1/4, 1/8, 1/8. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] disagree with this correction: tempo is OK as it is.But the urtext agrees --Toobaz 22:28, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
  • same applies, still for altos, in measure 60. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] disagree with this correction: tempo is OK as it is.Again, the urtext agrees --Toobaz 22:28, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
  • In measure 57, sopranos: last note is Eb, it should have no bemol [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction, this note is always E natural and not E flat.


Hostias

  • In measure 19, bassos: lyrics are "mo-ri-i-am", they should be "mo-o-ri-am" The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • In measure 57, altos: second note and following should be marked as C sharp, not D bemol. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • same applies for sopranos at 61 [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • same applies for bassos at 76 [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • In measure 57, 2 notes with wrong notation: tenors' "bra-he" should be 2 C#, not Db. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • In measure 68, sopranos: last note is a Eb; it should have not bemol [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction, this note is always E natural and not E flat.


Sanctus

  • Bass, measure 21 to 23: the lyrics "-sis in ex-cel-" exist in [PET], while they do not exist in [BÄR] and [NMA], where the syllable "cel-" of measure 19 is sung until the syllable "-sis" of measure 25 (despite the presence of a 1/4 rest at measure 21).


Benedictus

  • Soprano, measure 39: the duration of the third note should be 1/4 rather than 1/16. Then the following rest should be adjusted to 3/8 duration. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.


Agnus

  • In measure 19, bassos: last note is a F, it should be instead a A (1 1/2 tones over) [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • In measure 68, altos: lyrics are "do-o-o-o-o-o-na-a", they should be "do-o-o-o-na-a-a-a". The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • same applies for sopranos at 69. The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].
  • In measure 73, tenors: between the first two notes and the last two, a 1/4 rest is missing [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree upon this correction.
  • In measure 103, last note is E; is should have a bemol. This correction is about the alto part. [PET], [BÄR] and [NMA] agree, this note is always E flat and not E natural.
  • In measure 132, bassos: lyrics are "pi-us pi-us", they should be "qui-a pi-us". The same difference exists between [PET] with respect to [BÄR] and [NMA].

Formatting suggestions

My thanks to everyone who has produced this edition of the score! I'm starting rehearsal for this piece in Vancouver, Canada, and I hope to sing from the CPDL score.

I think the score would be even better for singing if it was formatted a little differently. When I print these PDF files on an 8.5"x11" page, the lyrics text is about 1.5mm high, and the staves about 4mm high. I find this a bit too small for easy reading when standing in a chorus. I think that, on an A4 page, they would also be hard to read. The pages do have a nice margin around the edges, which is good. I'd be interested in seeing a revision which boosted the text size to 2.5-3mm, and the staves to 6-7mm. It would be good for the margins to be set so that the pages would fit comfortably on either A4 or 8.5"x11" paper; can anyone suggest what dimensions the page content should have to accomplish this.

I'm seeing if I can find someone with the Encore program to convert the CPDL source files to MusicXML. I will then try to do the reformatting using Lilypond. I'm happy to work with anyone else who is interested. JimDeLaHunt 23:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Update. I just realised that the pages are formatted for A4, and I'm printing on 11" = 27.9cm tall paper. This means Acrobat was scaling the pages down at about 91%. Persuading Acrobat not to shrink the pages should get enlarge my text from 1.5mm to 1.6mm. I don't think it gets me all the way to 3mm, though. JimDeLaHunt 00:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Errors in Björn Ehnberg's editions

Lacrymosa

  • In the Soprano part in bar 11, my New Novello Choral Edition has a G in place of the F. The other score here agrees. - Iainhallam 14:23, 19 March 2012
==> Corrected by Dan de vries; the wrong score was replaced by the one uploaded by him. —Carlos Email.gif 13:42, 11 April 2012 (CDT) Please note: only PDF is corrected, XML still with error (RzR)

Domine Jesu

  • In measure 70, at the end, tenor should to say "e-e-jus," and not "e-jus jus,".

Hostias

  • In measure 83, in the Tenor voice, the first of the last 3 eighth notes, should be a "A", not a "C".